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From: sobriquet on 28 Jan 2010 18:27
On 28 jan, 22:25, "Pete" <available.on.requ...(a)aserver.com> wrote:
> sobriquet wrote:
> > I share and collect bitstrings. All bitstrings belong to everybody!
>
> These, for example, don't apply to you then?http://www.blenheim.nl/copyright-law.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_copyright_law

Well, they might apply, but they are futile and people seem to
exchange bitstrings freely without much concern for these redundant
and antiquated copyright laws.

Still, those copyright laws might come into play when you use other
peoples work in a way that makes you an easy target for the copyright
nazis, like if you are stupid enough to use pics from a stock agency
obtained from p2p on a personal website.


>
> By your reasoning Microsoft won't mind at all when you distribute their
> software.

Software from micro$oft is distributed freely on p2p, like all other
software.

But these days micro$oft has bought their way into the government and
it's no longer even possible to obtain many brand computers without a
version of windoze installed.
So micro$oft has so much economic power, they can forcefully shove
their inferior garbage down the submissive customers throat.

I think there is actually hope for copyright.. if we just let the
government merge into micro$oft, I'm sure they will figure out a way
to ensure nobody will ever share a bitstring again without micro$oft
profiting from it.

>
> Great. Good luck.
>
> No reply required.
>
> Pete

From: Ray Fischer on 28 Jan 2010 22:42
sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who
>owns the following bitstring?
>
>00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000
>
>Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and
>put it in a box and sell it on eBay?

Nope. It has to be unique and original and I can promise you that any
bit string of that length has been used already countless times.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: sobriquet on 29 Jan 2010 00:53
On 29 jan, 04:42, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> sobriquet  <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who
> >owns the following bitstring?
>
> >00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000
>
> >Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and
> >put it in a box and sell it on eBay?
>
> Nope.  It has to be unique and original and I can promise you that any
> bit string of that length has been used already countless times.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer        
> rfisc...(a)sonic.net  

Ah ok.. so what sort of a length did you have in mind for unique and
original bitstrings?
Who is to decide which bitstrings are unique and original?

How do I determine if it's legal or illegal to copy/share the
following bitstring?

0010010000111111011010101000100010000101101000110000100011010011
0001001100011001100010100010111000000011011100000111001101000100
1010010000001001001110000010001000101001100111110011000111010000
0000100000101110111110101001100011101100010011100110110010001001
0100010100101000001000011110011000111000110100000001001101110111
1011111001010100011001101100111100110100111010010000110001101100
1100000010101100001010011011011111001001011111000101000011011101
0011111110000100110101011011010110110101010001110000100100010111
1001001000010110110101011101100110001001011110011111101100011011
1101000100110001000010111010011010011000110111111011010110101100
0010111111111101011100101101101111010000000110101101111110110111
1011100011100001101011111110110101101010001001100111111010010110
1011101001111100100100000100010111110001001011000111111110011001
0010010010100001100110010100011110110011100100010110110011110111
0000100000000001111100101110001010000101100011101111110000010110
0110001101101001001000001101100001110001010101110100111001101001
1010010001011000111111101010001111110100100100110011110101111110
0000110110010101011101001000111101110010100011101011011001011000
0111000110001011110011010101100010000010000101010100101011101110
0111101101010100101001000001110111000010010110100101100110110101
1001110000110000110101010011100100101010111100100110000000010011
1100010111010001101100000010001100101000011000001000010111110000
1100101001000001011110010001100010111000110110110011100011101111
1000111001111001110111001011000001100000001110100001100000001110
0110110010011110000011101000101110110000000111101000101000111110
1101011100010101011101111100000110111101001100010100101100100111
0111100010101111001011111101101001010101011000000101110001100000
1110011001010101001001011111001110101010010101011010101110010100
From: Ray Fischer on 29 Jan 2010 02:26
sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who
>> >owns the following bitstring?
>>
>> >00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000
>>
>> >Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and
>> >put it in a box and sell it on eBay?
>>
>> Nope. �It has to be unique and original and I can promise you that any
>> bit string of that length has been used already countless times.
>
>Ah ok.. so what sort of a length did you have in mind for unique and
>original bitstrings?
>Who is to decide which bitstrings are unique and original?

Why don't you ask a lawyer?

By the way, photographs run about 10,000,000 bits and up and published
fiction runs 100,000 bits and up. Software runs in the billions of
bits.

You should be able to figure out something.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: sobriquet on 29 Jan 2010 10:45
On 29 jan, 08:26, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> sobriquet  <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> sobriquet  <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >Who keeps track of ownership of bitstrings? Where can I find out who
> >> >owns the following bitstring?
>
> >> >00101110111101001010000101011010111111010000000000111010011011001000111000
>
> >> >Can I claim ownership of it and put it on a CDROM, add a manual and
> >> >put it in a box and sell it on eBay?
>
> >> Nope.  It has to be unique and original and I can promise you that any
> >> bit string of that length has been used already countless times.
>
> >Ah ok.. so what sort of a length did you have in mind for unique and
> >original bitstrings?
> >Who is to decide which bitstrings are unique and original?
>
> Why don't you ask a lawyer?

Surely if people here claim to own certain bitstrings, they should be
able to explain how this system of ownership is supposed to work
exactly?

>
> By the way, photographs run about 10,000,000 bits and up and published
> fiction runs 100,000 bits and up.  Software runs in the billions of
> bits.
>
> You should be able to figure out something.

No.. I'm still mystified. A bitstring of 100 bits can be shared as
easily as a bitstring of 100,000 bits or 100,000,000 bits.
So I don't see any obvious way how to differentiate between bitstrings
that can be privately owned and controlled and bitstrings that are
supposedly not original or unique enough and hence belong to the
public domain.

>
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