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From: Gary Baldi on 26 Dec 2009 12:40 On Dec 26, 5:15 pm, "lgreenw...(a)srt.com" <lgreenw...(a)srt.com> wrote: > > Another perspective on this is....If the vendors themselves know that > a hard drive manufacturer does not honor its warranties or otherwise > simply do not respond to warranty claims, then why do they do business > with them? Gary Baldi's Elite PC company ships 100,000 units a month. Seagate (or Maxtor, or WD) say they'll supply me with 100,000 250gb hard drives with 5 year warranty @ £20 each (volumes and values are nominal). AN Other hard driver manufacturer comes along and says they'll supply me the same quantity @ £19 each. That's £100,000 extra profit for me; I'm not overly bothered whether the drives fail and Joe Public loses his/her autobiography. I blame the drive manufacturer, replace the drive and claim it back from him. I'm still £100k a month up on the deal.
From: Mike S. on 27 Dec 2009 17:21 In article <hh07jo$ong$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Ben Myers <ben_myers(a)charter.net> wrote: >Mike S. wrote: >> Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the >> intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few >> minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The >> system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during >> startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... >> nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the >> expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. >> >> Fearing the HDD or controller might be bad, I tried to boot a few live >> WinPE-based CD's. All failed. Many just hung after loading files; one >> XP-based live CD consistently delivers a BSOD with the dreaded STOP >> 0x0000007B. Had a look inside - drive is powered, and all cables look OK. >> The ability to at least partially boot a CD leads me to believe it's the >> HDD and not the controller. >> >> Googled around and found lots of problem reports with this drive (well, >> actually, Seagate in general) including failures in as little as a few >> days after installation. One guy on Newegg said it was nearly impossible >> to get Seagate to RMA it, and takes forever to get action. >> >> Based on that, I'm kinda leaning towards just cutting to the chase and >> pourchasing a new drive. Have heard good things about some Samsung drives; >> also WD if not the best, at least has good warranty support. >> > >I, too, have had Seagate ST3250310AS drives fail, and Seagate got itself >off my preferred list for SATA drives as a result. I have been sticking >with WD lately with no problems to report. Seagate is still at the top >of my list for SCSI drives... Ben Myers Well, I'm still dead in the water here. Just before going to replace the drive I was able to boot a Live CD and tried to run various utilities but nothing would see the drive. SeaTools for DOS hung at the license agreement screen. Pulled the Seagate and replaced it with a WD 320. It spins up but I still can't get anywhere. After the POST screen, with a bootable DVD and floppy in place, it just hangs with a blinking cursor. I've tried hitting F2 and F12 during the self test but it never gets any further. Now I can't even boot from the DVD at all. I've tried reseating the cables; even ran the drive off an external power supply (yes it spins) but I never get past the power-up. What am I missing here? Is there some other magic key sequence I can use to get past this? All this time I've been blaming the HDD; could the SATA 0 channel on the controller be blown? rather than
From: Mike S. on 27 Dec 2009 20:01 In article <hh8ml9$d3m$1(a)reader1.panix.com>, Mike S. <retsuhcs(a)xinap.moc> wrote: > >In article <hh07jo$ong$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, >Ben Myers <ben_myers(a)charter.net> wrote: >>Mike S. wrote: >>> Last night I turned on my infrequently-used Optiplex 755 with the >>> intention of burning another DVD of last year's Christmas party. A few >>> minutes later I cam back to see why it wans't at the Windows desktop. The >>> system had hung just after POST. Rebooting and watching things during >>> startup, I noticed huge pauses around the time of POST and then ... >>> nothing. I checked the BIOS settings - the hard drive was detected at the >>> expected size. It's a Seagate ST3250310AS - 250 GB. >>> >>> Fearing the HDD or controller might be bad, I tried to boot a few live >>> WinPE-based CD's. All failed. Many just hung after loading files; one >>> XP-based live CD consistently delivers a BSOD with the dreaded STOP >>> 0x0000007B. Had a look inside - drive is powered, and all cables look OK. >>> The ability to at least partially boot a CD leads me to believe it's the >>> HDD and not the controller. >>> >>> Googled around and found lots of problem reports with this drive (well, >>> actually, Seagate in general) including failures in as little as a few >>> days after installation. One guy on Newegg said it was nearly impossible >>> to get Seagate to RMA it, and takes forever to get action. >>> >>> Based on that, I'm kinda leaning towards just cutting to the chase and >>> pourchasing a new drive. Have heard good things about some Samsung drives; >>> also WD if not the best, at least has good warranty support. >>> >> >>I, too, have had Seagate ST3250310AS drives fail, and Seagate got itself >>off my preferred list for SATA drives as a result. I have been sticking >>with WD lately with no problems to report. Seagate is still at the top >>of my list for SCSI drives... Ben Myers > >Well, I'm still dead in the water here. Just before going to replace the >drive I was able to boot a Live CD and tried to run various utilities but >nothing would see the drive. SeaTools for DOS hung at the license >agreement screen. > >Pulled the Seagate and replaced it with a WD 320. It spins up but I still >can't get anywhere. After the POST screen, with a bootable DVD and floppy >in place, it just hangs with a blinking cursor. > >I've tried hitting F2 and F12 during the self test but it never gets any >further. Now I can't even boot from the DVD at all. > >I've tried reseating the cables; even ran the drive off an external power >supply (yes it spins) but I never get past the power-up. > >What am I missing here? Is there some other magic key sequence I can use >to get past this? All this time I've been blaming the HDD; could the SATA >0 channel on the controller be blown? For what it's worth, I fixed it by shorting the RTC clear jumper on the motherboard. Only then could I boot a CD and partition the drive. Weird.
From: Top on 27 Dec 2009 20:38 In article <hh901i$fqi$1(a)reader1.panix.com>, retsuhcs(a)xinap.moc says... > >in place, it just hangs with a blinking cursor. > > > >I've tried hitting F2 and F12 during the self test but it never gets any > >further. Now I can't even boot from the DVD at all. > > > >I've tried reseating the cables; even ran the drive off an external power > >supply (yes it spins) but I never get past the power-up. > > > >What am I missing here? Is there some other magic key sequence I can use > >to get past this? All this time I've been blaming the HDD; could the SATA > >0 channel on the controller be blown? > > For what it's worth, I fixed it by shorting the RTC clear jumper on the > motherboard. Only then could I boot a CD and partition the drive. Weird. Electrons got lost and you showed them the path of least resistance. Ed -- For those who have trouble remembering the words for the song '99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall', somewhere on the Internet there's a page with the complete lyrics: all 100 verses!
From: Tony Harding on 28 Dec 2009 04:31
Gary Baldi wrote: > On Dec 24, 5:34 pm, Daddy <da...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> The point of all this being that when I first bought the drive, Seagate >> was everyone's favorite and WD was the whipping boy. Now it's the >> opposite. The hard drive business must be like Project Runway: One day >> you're 'in' and the next day you're 'out'. >> >> Daddy- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > WD have never been anyone's whipping boy? > > They're the only drive I use; I've had brand new Dells, opened them > up, found Maxtors or Seagates in there and have pulled them and bought > new WD drives. > > 5 year warranties aint worth jack if you've lost all your data. That's why God invented backups. <g> FWIW I have mostly avoided WD drives the last 10-15 years. <no flame intended BTW> |