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From: Neil Harrington on 7 Apr 2010 14:04 Chris H wrote: > In message <KPidnfbiyYK7LyHWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil > Harrington <never(a)home.com> writes >> >> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >> news:9EmJ3EK1d0uLFAwf(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>> In message <4bbb42ed$0$30031$426a74cc(a)news.free.fr>, Ofnuts >>> <o.f.n.u.t.s(a)la.poste.net> writes >>>> On 06/04/2010 03:47, RichA wrote: >>>>> I don't think the DSLR line in Hogan's graph should be narrowing >>>>> that much, people are still overwhelmingly buying Canon and Nikon >>>>> and they don't have mirror-less cameras, but it makes sense >>>>> compacts are going away and (yuck!) cellphone with cams are >>>>> rapidly expanding sales. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.bythom.com/ >>>> >>>> I don't agree with his vision... the market is split by sensor >>>> size: full-frame, APS-C/four-thirds, P&S, phones. >>> >>> I think the phones will replace the medium to low end P&S "all" the >>> kids (actually almost everyone, not just the kids) have phones with >>> cameras that are "good enough". Unless they are really into >>> photography they will be happy with a phone. >> >> Outdoors, probably. Indoors, I don't think so. Do any phones have >> flash? > > Yes most of them. And good low light capability. In fact most of the > pictures on face book are taken indoors on phones. Well, that's interesting. > > 90% of the kids are not going to bother with a P&S... are not? Have > not bothered. They all have camera phones but VERY few have a separate > camera of any sort (other than a web cam) I'm sure you're right about that. My great-nephews and -nieces all have cell phones and I don't believe even one of them owns a P&S.
From: Chris H on 7 Apr 2010 14:14 In message <hs6dnb6UEayCVCHWnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil Harrington <never(a)home.com> writes >Chris H wrote: >> In message <KPidnfbiyYK7LyHWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil >> Harrington <never(a)home.com> writes >>> >>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >>> news:9EmJ3EK1d0uLFAwf(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>>> In message <4bbb42ed$0$30031$426a74cc(a)news.free.fr>, Ofnuts >>>> <o.f.n.u.t.s(a)la.poste.net> writes >>>>> On 06/04/2010 03:47, RichA wrote: >>>>>> I don't think the DSLR line in Hogan's graph should be narrowing >>>>>> that much, people are still overwhelmingly buying Canon and Nikon >>>>>> and they don't have mirror-less cameras, but it makes sense >>>>>> compacts are going away and (yuck!) cellphone with cams are >>>>>> rapidly expanding sales. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.bythom.com/ >>>>> >>>>> I don't agree with his vision... the market is split by sensor >>>>> size: full-frame, APS-C/four-thirds, P&S, phones. >>>> >>>> I think the phones will replace the medium to low end P&S "all" the >>>> kids (actually almost everyone, not just the kids) have phones with >>>> cameras that are "good enough". Unless they are really into >>>> photography they will be happy with a phone. >>> >>> Outdoors, probably. Indoors, I don't think so. Do any phones have >>> flash? >> >> Yes most of them. And good low light capability. In fact most of the >> pictures on face book are taken indoors on phones. > >Well, that's interesting. And you can see the standard (or lack of) of those pictures.... but they are "good enough" for what they want. >> 90% of the kids are not going to bother with a P&S... are not? Have >> not bothered. They all have camera phones but VERY few have a separate >> camera of any sort (other than a web cam) > >I'm sure you're right about that. My great-nephews and -nieces all have cell >phones and I don't believe even one of them owns a P&S. It is mainly the older generation who still need a son/daughter to set up their phone for them who do not even know it has a camera that are still buying P&S but this is a diminishing market. I would be surprised if many people under 50 buy P&S these days. At least not the low-mid range ones. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: Neil Harrington on 7 Apr 2010 14:15 Chris H wrote: > In message <KPidnfbiyYK7LyHWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil > Harrington <never(a)home.com> writes >> >> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >> The mirror is just in the way for video, true. But I don't see video >> replacing stills, ever. > > People said similar things about 35mm film replacing 120 roll film.... I don't know about that. Eisenstaedt, Cartier Bresson, Smith, et al. were working in 35mm for a long, long time. > >> Right now it has a good deal of novelty value and >> I've noticed the kiddies especially love video in their P&S cameras. > > You mean their phones... I don't know any with P&S cameras. Yes, I retract that. I was thinking of family get-togethers when the kiddies were playing with P&S cameras and delighted in the video, but now that I think of it it wasn't THEIR cameras they were playing with. > I have > done photos at a couple of 18th parties.... I had the only camera > there that was not a phone. I can easily believe that.
From: Neil Harrington on 7 Apr 2010 14:32 Chris H wrote: > In message <hs6dnb6UEayCVCHWnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil > Harrington <never(a)home.com> writes >> Chris H wrote: >>> In message <KPidnfbiyYK7LyHWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil >>> Harrington <never(a)home.com> writes >>>> >>>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >>>> news:9EmJ3EK1d0uLFAwf(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>>>> In message <4bbb42ed$0$30031$426a74cc(a)news.free.fr>, Ofnuts >>>>> <o.f.n.u.t.s(a)la.poste.net> writes >>>>>> On 06/04/2010 03:47, RichA wrote: >>>>>>> I don't think the DSLR line in Hogan's graph should be narrowing >>>>>>> that much, people are still overwhelmingly buying Canon and >>>>>>> Nikon and they don't have mirror-less cameras, but it makes >>>>>>> sense compacts are going away and (yuck!) cellphone with cams >>>>>>> are rapidly expanding sales. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.bythom.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't agree with his vision... the market is split by sensor >>>>>> size: full-frame, APS-C/four-thirds, P&S, phones. >>>>> >>>>> I think the phones will replace the medium to low end P&S "all" >>>>> the kids (actually almost everyone, not just the kids) have >>>>> phones with cameras that are "good enough". Unless they are >>>>> really into photography they will be happy with a phone. >>>> >>>> Outdoors, probably. Indoors, I don't think so. Do any phones have >>>> flash? >>> >>> Yes most of them. And good low light capability. In fact most of the >>> pictures on face book are taken indoors on phones. >> >> Well, that's interesting. > > And you can see the standard (or lack of) of those pictures.... but > they are "good enough" for what they want. > >>> 90% of the kids are not going to bother with a P&S... are not? Have >>> not bothered. They all have camera phones but VERY few have a >>> separate camera of any sort (other than a web cam) >> >> I'm sure you're right about that. My great-nephews and -nieces all >> have cell phones and I don't believe even one of them owns a P&S. > > It is mainly the older generation who still need a son/daughter to set > up their phone for them who do not even know it has a camera that are > still buying P&S but this is a diminishing market. > > I would be surprised if many people under 50 buy P&S these days. At > least not the low-mid range ones. I don't know. My nephew (early 40s) has a little Canon, shirt pocket size, and his phone is a Blackberry. Do Blackberrys have cameras too? (Apparently they have everything else, but my ignorance of cell phones is pretty complete.) My newest cell phone has a camera, a whopping 0.3 megapixels. My previous one had no camera. I use the thing so rarely I barely know how to make a call with it -- I got it mainly in case of an emergency on the highway, though I can't remember ever actually having had such an emergency. It was handy for meeting my sister at the airport in Florida, and that's about it. I don't think she uses hers much either.
From: Seymore on 7 Apr 2010 14:33
"RichA" <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:556ad2a2-9637-43e8-beaf-de7e9855a6de(a)h27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >I don't think the DSLR line in Hogan's graph should be narrowing that > much, people are still overwhelmingly buying Canon and Nikon and they > don't have mirror-less cameras, but it makes sense compacts are going > away and (yuck!) cellphone with cams are rapidly expanding sales. > > http://www.bythom.com/ I never read the article, however it's pretty obvious that P&S are being replaced by camera phones. Let's face it, if you want a slow portable camera, why not just use your phone? In fact, I think the shutter delay on my cheap phone is quicker that my P&S. |