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From: Daddy on 4 Aug 2010 09:50 On 8/4/2010 8:36 AM, Ben Myers wrote: > On 8/4/2010 4:44 AM, Daddy wrote: >> On 8/3/2010 5:36 PM, ahall(a)no-spam-panix.com wrote: >>> >>> Retail Win 7 discs contain both the 64 and 32 bit versions. >>> Would that be true with Dell Win 7 media too? >>> >>> (I ordered my wife a machine with Win 7 and an XP downgrade >>> installed, it comes with Win 7 media. I want to order my >>> son a machine with 64 bit Win 7, but they do not seem to >>> offer that with the OS disc. As I will leave XP on my wife's >>> machine, I thought perhaps I could give him the Win 7 disc >>> to take to college. Should that work?) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >> >> What Bob said. >> >> In any case, OEM discs are only allowed to be used on the computer on >> which they are initially installed. >> > > According to Microsoft, OEM discs are only allowed to be used on the > computer on which they are initially installed. Practically speaking, If > I take the OEM disc from one computer and use it to install the Windows > on a second computer with a sticker for the same version of Windows: > > 1. How can Microsoft tell that I've used the OEM disk from another > computer? (They can't! They can't even tell if I have used a copy of an > OEM disk, or one created from an OEM disk with slipstreamed updates.) > 2. I have installed Windows on a system with a legit sticker for the > version on the disc, so what license agreement am I violating? (I do not > think I am violating any agreement!) > > We are 100% in agreement that installing any Windows, including Dell > OEM, on a system which does not have a sticker for that version of > Windows is in violation of Microsoft's rights, (but it does not violate > Microsoft's rights to impose blue screens and other software atrocities > on the unwitting world). I have several very nice Dell PowerEdge SC420 > servers here with no Windows stickers, because they are servers. It is > very tempting to install one of the Dell OEM versions of Windows on > them, but I won't do so. The Law That Never Was http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp "After a year of extensive research, Bill Benson discovered that the 16th Amendment was not ratified by the required 3/4 of the states, but nevertheless Secretary of State Philander Knox fraudulently announced ratification." The Apollo Moon Hoax http://www.cosmic-conspiracies.com/apollohoax.html "I have been investigating the Apollo hoax argument for the past 10 years and in that time I have come across some incredible evidence that I wish to share with you here." -- Daddy
From: Daddy on 4 Aug 2010 10:15 On 8/4/2010 9:50 AM, Daddy wrote: > On 8/4/2010 8:36 AM, Ben Myers wrote: >> On 8/4/2010 4:44 AM, Daddy wrote: >>> On 8/3/2010 5:36 PM, ahall(a)no-spam-panix.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Retail Win 7 discs contain both the 64 and 32 bit versions. >>>> Would that be true with Dell Win 7 media too? >>>> >>>> (I ordered my wife a machine with Win 7 and an XP downgrade >>>> installed, it comes with Win 7 media. I want to order my >>>> son a machine with 64 bit Win 7, but they do not seem to >>>> offer that with the OS disc. As I will leave XP on my wife's >>>> machine, I thought perhaps I could give him the Win 7 disc >>>> to take to college. Should that work?) >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>> >>> What Bob said. >>> >>> In any case, OEM discs are only allowed to be used on the computer on >>> which they are initially installed. >>> >> >> According to Microsoft, OEM discs are only allowed to be used on the >> computer on which they are initially installed. Practically speaking, If >> I take the OEM disc from one computer and use it to install the Windows >> on a second computer with a sticker for the same version of Windows: >> >> 1. How can Microsoft tell that I've used the OEM disk from another >> computer? (They can't! They can't even tell if I have used a copy of an >> OEM disk, or one created from an OEM disk with slipstreamed updates.) >> 2. I have installed Windows on a system with a legit sticker for the >> version on the disc, so what license agreement am I violating? (I do not >> think I am violating any agreement!) >> >> We are 100% in agreement that installing any Windows, including Dell >> OEM, on a system which does not have a sticker for that version of >> Windows is in violation of Microsoft's rights, (but it does not violate >> Microsoft's rights to impose blue screens and other software atrocities >> on the unwitting world). I have several very nice Dell PowerEdge SC420 >> servers here with no Windows stickers, because they are servers. It is >> very tempting to install one of the Dell OEM versions of Windows on >> them, but I won't do so. > > The Law That Never Was > http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp > > "After a year of extensive research, Bill Benson discovered that the > 16th Amendment was not ratified by the required 3/4 of the states, but > nevertheless Secretary of State Philander Knox fraudulently announced > ratification." > > The Apollo Moon Hoax > http://www.cosmic-conspiracies.com/apollohoax.html > > "I have been investigating the Apollo hoax argument for the past 10 > years and in that time I have come across some incredible evidence that > I wish to share with you here." That was harsh...even for me, so I apologize in advance. -- Daddy
From: Christopher Muto on 4 Aug 2010 12:42 ahall(a)no-spam-panix.com wrote: > Retail Win 7 discs contain both the 64 and 32 bit versions. > Would that be true with Dell Win 7 media too? > > (I ordered my wife a machine with Win 7 and an XP downgrade > installed, it comes with Win 7 media. I want to order my > son a machine with 64 bit Win 7, but they do not seem to > offer that with the OS disc. As I will leave XP on my wife's > machine, I thought perhaps I could give him the Win 7 disc > to take to college. Should that work?) > > Thanks, > as previous stated, with link to dell current media policy iirc, dell is phasing out providing media but they do have a utility to create backup media. answering if the media from your wife's computer would work on a new one you are going to buy for your son requires more info about your wife's computer. if her media is dell oem then it works with dell oem activation codes and not retail activation codes. retail copies of windows 7 media require retail activation codes and not oem activation codes. further, dell oem windows 7 media is specifically designated 32 bit or 64 bit, not dual use like retail media which would also impact the usefulness of the media given the certificate of authorization activation code on the new machine.
From: Christopher Muto on 4 Aug 2010 12:49 Ben Myers wrote: > On 8/4/2010 4:44 AM, Daddy wrote: >> On 8/3/2010 5:36 PM, ahall(a)no-spam-panix.com wrote: >>> >>> Retail Win 7 discs contain both the 64 and 32 bit versions. >>> Would that be true with Dell Win 7 media too? >>> >>> (I ordered my wife a machine with Win 7 and an XP downgrade >>> installed, it comes with Win 7 media. I want to order my >>> son a machine with 64 bit Win 7, but they do not seem to >>> offer that with the OS disc. As I will leave XP on my wife's >>> machine, I thought perhaps I could give him the Win 7 disc >>> to take to college. Should that work?) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >> >> What Bob said. >> >> In any case, OEM discs are only allowed to be used on the computer on >> which they are initially installed. >> > > According to Microsoft, OEM discs are only allowed to be used on the > computer on which they are initially installed. Practically speaking, > If I take the OEM disc from one computer and use it to install the > Windows on a second computer with a sticker for the same version of > Windows: > > 1. How can Microsoft tell that I've used the OEM disk from another > computer? (They can't! They can't even tell if I have used a copy of > an OEM disk, or one created from an OEM disk with slipstreamed updates.) > 2. I have installed Windows on a system with a legit sticker for the > version on the disc, so what license agreement am I violating? (I do > not think I am violating any agreement!) > > We are 100% in agreement that installing any Windows, including Dell > OEM, on a system which does not have a sticker for that version of > Windows is in violation of Microsoft's rights, (but it does not violate > Microsoft's rights to impose blue screens and other software atrocities > on the unwitting world). I have several very nice Dell PowerEdge SC420 > servers here with no Windows stickers, because they are servers. It is > very tempting to install one of the Dell OEM versions of Windows on > them, but I won't do so. he is only asking about media, not licensing. he has started several threads about purchasing a new machine and expressed frustration that buying a latitude with 'windows 7 pro with xp downgrade pro' is the only way to get a machine with media. since he has no intention to use windows xp it would mean wasting several hours loading the system with windows 7 for the first use, something he has not done before. there is no intention to violate licenses here, there is only a desire to have backup media. i disagree with your comment about using media from another machine. microsoft talks about using a license from another machine but not media (and you probably recall my questions as to what they actually mean by the machine - the case, the motherboard, the cpu, the memory, the disks, and upgrading which of these or what combination of these things makes the license invalid with the 'original' machine and when is it ok for the license to follow the old hardware when used someplace else... and so on - not actually asking you to reply, that is for another thread, and has already been hashed is previous threads for anyone that cares). this is just a guy that wants backup media, not one who wants to pirate software or circumvent licensing. ps. servers purchased from dell without a windows operating system do not have windows certificate of authorization (coa) stickers, but ones that do, do. i find that dell used to charge more than retial for oem licenses of windows server software on there servers but in recent years have become competitive so now do buy the os pre-installed these days and they do have the stickers.
From: RnR on 4 Aug 2010 13:23
On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:49:02 -0400, Christopher Muto <muto(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >Ben Myers wrote: >> On 8/4/2010 4:44 AM, Daddy wrote: >>> On 8/3/2010 5:36 PM, ahall(a)no-spam-panix.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Retail Win 7 discs contain both the 64 and 32 bit versions. >>>> Would that be true with Dell Win 7 media too? >>>> >>>> (I ordered my wife a machine with Win 7 and an XP downgrade >>>> installed, it comes with Win 7 media. I want to order my >>>> son a machine with 64 bit Win 7, but they do not seem to >>>> offer that with the OS disc. As I will leave XP on my wife's >>>> machine, I thought perhaps I could give him the Win 7 disc >>>> to take to college. Should that work?) >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>> >>> What Bob said. >>> >>> In any case, OEM discs are only allowed to be used on the computer on >>> which they are initially installed. >>> >> >> According to Microsoft, OEM discs are only allowed to be used on the >> computer on which they are initially installed. Practically speaking, >> If I take the OEM disc from one computer and use it to install the >> Windows on a second computer with a sticker for the same version of >> Windows: >> >> 1. How can Microsoft tell that I've used the OEM disk from another >> computer? (They can't! They can't even tell if I have used a copy of >> an OEM disk, or one created from an OEM disk with slipstreamed updates.) >> 2. I have installed Windows on a system with a legit sticker for the >> version on the disc, so what license agreement am I violating? (I do >> not think I am violating any agreement!) >> >> We are 100% in agreement that installing any Windows, including Dell >> OEM, on a system which does not have a sticker for that version of >> Windows is in violation of Microsoft's rights, (but it does not violate >> Microsoft's rights to impose blue screens and other software atrocities >> on the unwitting world). I have several very nice Dell PowerEdge SC420 >> servers here with no Windows stickers, because they are servers. It is >> very tempting to install one of the Dell OEM versions of Windows on >> them, but I won't do so. > >he is only asking about media, not licensing. he has started several >threads about purchasing a new machine and expressed frustration that >buying a latitude with 'windows 7 pro with xp downgrade pro' is the only >way to get a machine with media. since he has no intention to use >windows xp it would mean wasting several hours loading the system with >windows 7 for the first use, something he has not done before. there is >no intention to violate licenses here, there is only a desire to have >backup media. i disagree with your comment about using media from >another machine. microsoft talks about using a license from another >machine but not media (and you probably recall my questions as to what >they actually mean by the machine - the case, the motherboard, the cpu, >the memory, the disks, and upgrading which of these or what combination >of these things makes the license invalid with the 'original' machine >and when is it ok for the license to follow the old hardware when used >someplace else... and so on - not actually asking you to reply, that is >for another thread, and has already been hashed is previous threads for >anyone that cares). this is just a guy that wants backup media, not one >who wants to pirate software or circumvent licensing. > >ps. servers purchased from dell without a windows operating system do >not have windows certificate of authorization (coa) stickers, but ones >that do, do. i find that dell used to charge more than retial for oem >licenses of windows server software on there servers but in recent years >have become competitive so now do buy the os pre-installed these days >and they do have the stickers. This post is NOT directed solely at you but others too, including Tom Scales who I had a discussion with at length a year or so ago. I am still amazed how many of us use MS products and we still don't understand it's license. And I don't mean to disrespect you or anyone else whether I agree or disagree. My point is that the MS wording is so vague that even as a large group, we can't really fully understand it which perhaps is a plus to MS so they can slant it as they want to. |