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From: Jim Thompson on 10 Sep 2009 12:30 On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:25:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:09:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> Does anyone know of a source for SPICE models of ECL gates? >>> Unfortunately ON Semi only supplies IBIS models :-( >>> >>> I know, I know, much of this will fall under trade secrets or NDAs and >>> can't be shared. Just wondering why some companies seem reluctant to >>> share this stuff. Makes no sense since providing models can only boost >>> sales. No, not the models some of you might think about ... :-) >>> >>> Alternatively, is there a recipe about how to boil one out of an IBIS >>> model file? >> >> IBIS models only model the package. >> >> I have the Spice models... I designed much of it... I can't share it >> ;-) >> > >Dang, I thought so :-( What is it you're trying to model? ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Joerg on 10 Sep 2009 12:39 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:25:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:09:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Gentlemen, >>>> >>>> Does anyone know of a source for SPICE models of ECL gates? >>>> Unfortunately ON Semi only supplies IBIS models :-( >>>> >>>> I know, I know, much of this will fall under trade secrets or NDAs and >>>> can't be shared. Just wondering why some companies seem reluctant to >>>> share this stuff. Makes no sense since providing models can only boost >>>> sales. No, not the models some of you might think about ... :-) >>>> >>>> Alternatively, is there a recipe about how to boil one out of an IBIS >>>> model file? >>> IBIS models only model the package. >>> >>> I have the Spice models... I designed much of it... I can't share it >>> ;-) >>> >> Dang, I thought so :-( > > What is it you're trying to model? > Mostly linear behavior and change of prop delays with chip temperature. But it's nothing for a project (yet), just kicking the tires. The newer 8GHz stuff looks very enticing but when I saw the prices I almost dropped my coffee cup. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: John Larkin on 10 Sep 2009 22:35 On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:39:45 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:25:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:09:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gentlemen, >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know of a source for SPICE models of ECL gates? >>>>> Unfortunately ON Semi only supplies IBIS models :-( >>>>> >>>>> I know, I know, much of this will fall under trade secrets or NDAs and >>>>> can't be shared. Just wondering why some companies seem reluctant to >>>>> share this stuff. Makes no sense since providing models can only boost >>>>> sales. No, not the models some of you might think about ... :-) >>>>> >>>>> Alternatively, is there a recipe about how to boil one out of an IBIS >>>>> model file? >>>> IBIS models only model the package. >>>> >>>> I have the Spice models... I designed much of it... I can't share it >>>> ;-) >>>> >>> Dang, I thought so :-( >> >> What is it you're trying to model? >> > >Mostly linear behavior and change of prop delays with chip temperature. >But it's nothing for a project (yet), just kicking the tires. The newer >8GHz stuff looks very enticing but when I saw the prices I almost >dropped my coffee cup. Heck, the Onsemi GigaComm stuff is only about $35 a gate. Hittite wants $200. John
From: Fred Bartoli on 11 Sep 2009 05:04 John Larkin a �crit : > On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:39:45 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:25:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:09:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Gentlemen, >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know of a source for SPICE models of ECL gates? >>>>>> Unfortunately ON Semi only supplies IBIS models :-( >>>>>> >>>>>> I know, I know, much of this will fall under trade secrets or NDAs and >>>>>> can't be shared. Just wondering why some companies seem reluctant to >>>>>> share this stuff. Makes no sense since providing models can only boost >>>>>> sales. No, not the models some of you might think about ... :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Alternatively, is there a recipe about how to boil one out of an IBIS >>>>>> model file? >>>>> IBIS models only model the package. >>>>> >>>>> I have the Spice models... I designed much of it... I can't share it >>>>> ;-) >>>>> >>>> Dang, I thought so :-( >>> What is it you're trying to model? >>> >> Mostly linear behavior and change of prop delays with chip temperature. >> But it's nothing for a project (yet), just kicking the tires. The newer >> 8GHz stuff looks very enticing but when I saw the prices I almost >> dropped my coffee cup. > > Heck, the Onsemi GigaComm stuff is only about $35 a gate. Hittite > wants $200. > > John > DTL? (Dollar Transfer Logic) -- Thanks, Fred.
From: gearhead on 11 Sep 2009 06:48
On Sep 11, 5:04 am, Fred Bartoli <" "> wrote: > John Larkin a écrit : > > > > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:39:45 -0700, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> > > wrote: > > >> Jim Thompson wrote: > >>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:25:08 -0700, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> > >>> wrote: > > >>>> Jim Thompson wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:09:13 -0700, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> Gentlemen, > > >>>>>> Does anyone know of a source for SPICE models of ECL gates? > >>>>>> Unfortunately ON Semi only supplies IBIS models :-( > > >>>>>> I know, I know, much of this will fall under trade secrets or NDAs and > >>>>>> can't be shared. Just wondering why some companies seem reluctant to > >>>>>> share this stuff. Makes no sense since providing models can only boost > >>>>>> sales. No, not the models some of you might think about ... :-) > > >>>>>> Alternatively, is there a recipe about how to boil one out of an IBIS > >>>>>> model file? > >>>>> IBIS models only model the package. > > >>>>> I have the Spice models... I designed much of it... I can't share it > >>>>> ;-) > > >>>> Dang, I thought so :-( > >>> What is it you're trying to model? > > >> Mostly linear behavior and change of prop delays with chip temperature.. > >> But it's nothing for a project (yet), just kicking the tires. The newer > >> 8GHz stuff looks very enticing but when I saw the prices I almost > >> dropped my coffee cup. > > > Heck, the Onsemi GigaComm stuff is only about $35 a gate. Hittite > > wants $200. > > > John > > DTL? (Dollar Transfer Logic) > > -- > Thanks, > Fred. I got a laugh out of that one. |