From: joel garry on 26 Jul 2010 16:43
On Jul 24, 5:39 am, Mark D Powell <Mark.Powe...(a)hp.com> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 9:35 am, John Hurley <hurleyjo...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Mladen:
> > # They used to be good, not any longer. I have a SR opened because of
> > node eviction, the SR is level 2, nobody is responding for days. I
> > called in on Tuesday, they opened a new SR, despite my strong
> > objections, and nobody is working on it.
> > My experience in the last several years is that pretty much nothing
> > gets worked on that is not at Sev 1.
> > Even at Sev 1 ... you roll the dice if you get someone with the
> > experience and authority to know how to actually work an issue.
> > In most cases it seems like you have to get it at Sev 1 and then at
> > some point escalate thru a phone call from a manager and ask them
> > nicely to get it placed with someone competent and experienced.
> We have not entered more than a few SR's in the last year none of
> which were Sev 1 and support has responded. However, based on the
> solution some of the responses have been slower than would seem
> necessary. Unfortunately, I believe you are at the mercy of the
> problem assignment process to which analyst you get.
Part of the process appears to be people who use OCM go to the front
of the line. Unless someone has seen somewhere that that isn't true
> First off I suspect that a big part of the problem is that many of the
> analysts are not that knowledgable and your problem may fall outside
> the analysts experience level. Then there is what may be the more
> serious issue in that I believe that many of the analysts already have
> more SR's assigned to them than he or she can respond to in a timely
I have a suspicion (with little actual foundation, so this is
speculation) that the support process for databases is being modified
behind the scenes. A couple years ago, I'd get a lot of "oh, now we
have to spawn another SR for that," sometimes with the analyst
confiding they don't like it either. I haven't got that recently. I
don't know if it is because I just don't do that many SR's and have a
skewed view, or someone realized how stupid it looked and gave more
"accountability" to front-end folk (or for those subject to paranoia,
that there is a customer file for internal use only where they say
"hey, this nerd will complain online, watch how you handle him" - I
saw one place that had to do a major cleanup of their db when they
allowed customers web access). Given the integration of so many
disparate products into the support system, I can't say I'm optimistic
that this is just growing pains for a system that will improve.
Not long ago I saw a new Futurama episode, where Bender and Hermes are
being chased by kill-bots, while Mom watches on a remote monitor:
"That's what you get for calling tech-support! "
> I do not know how many times I have seen a post on OTN or in the
> Oracle Support Community forums which recommended the poster open an
> SR for questions that were asking for answers that amount to opinions
> on how something should be approached and could have been answered by
> reading the manual and considering the manual information in relation
> to the user enfironment. I suspect that Oracle support is buried
> under SR's for topics that can be answered directly from the manuals.
> The way I see it we are stuck. There is no way a major business can
> afford to run without a support contract cause you need access to the
> bug fixes and support in the event you run into a reoccurring
> problem. We have had to patch or upgrade our way out of problems in
> the past and the need to do so again in the future cannot be
The thing about being stuck is you can squeal really loud.
@home.com is bogus.
It's stuff like this that makes you understand why some things are
missing from EM:
From: The Boss on 26 Jul 2010 18:44
> On Jul 25, 12:59 pm, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mla...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, I know about it. What I don't understand is why Oracle doesn't
>> give us back the venerable Metalink. What is the advantage of this
> It prepares the way for Oracle to purchase Flash from Adobe - or Adobe
> entirely - and therefore one more piece of "web 2.0" falls in their
> hands. They already got MySQL and Java, which nobody wangted anyway.
It won't be called "web 2.0" for long:
- 'web' will be replaced by 'OOW' (Oracle Open Web)
or OUW (Oracle Univers.., ehm ... Unbreakable Web)
- as Larry doesn't like .0 versions, the numbering will be changed to 2.1
From: Noons on 26 Jul 2010 20:07
On Jul 27, 8:44 am, "The Boss" <use...(a)No.Spam.Please.invalid> wrote:
> Noons wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 12:59 pm, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mla...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yes, I know about it. What I don't understand is why Oracle doesn't
> >> give us back the venerable Metalink. What is the advantage of this
> >> monster?
> > It prepares the way for Oracle to purchase Flash from Adobe - or Adobe
> > entirely - and therefore one more piece of "web 2.0" falls in their
> > hands. They already got MySQL and Java, which nobody wangted anyway.
> It won't be called "web 2.0" for long:
> - 'web' will be replaced by 'OOW' (Oracle Open Web)
> or OUW (Oracle Univers.., ehm ... Unbreakable Web)
> - as Larry doesn't like .0 versions, the numbering will be changed to 2.1
Ah, Oracle: the modern CA...
From: Serge Rielau on 27 Jul 2010 00:12
On 7/26/2010 7:13 AM, Noons wrote:
> On Jul 25, 1:14 pm, Serge Rielau<srie...(a)ca.ibm.com> wrote:
> Yeah, the new name for DB2 is "Clayton's db" - if it can't beat
> anyone, it might as well assume the hat of everyone...
Noons, aren't you dutch?
Why did you learn English?
Most certainly my speaking of English has nothing to do with believing
the English play better soccer.
Instead it allows me to compete based on my qualities.
Same with DB2. We believe it's good stuff and by speaking PL/SQL we can
prove it. ":=" is not better than "SET"....
SQL Architect DB2 for LUW
IBM Toronto Lab
From: joel garry on 27 Jul 2010 11:51
On Jul 26, 9:12 pm, Serge Rielau <srie...(a)ca.ibm.com> wrote:
> On 7/26/2010 7:13 AM, Noons wrote:> On Jul 25, 1:14 pm, Serge Rielau<srie....(a)ca.ibm.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, the new name for DB2 is "Clayton's db" - if it can't beat
> > anyone, it might as well assume the hat of everyone...
> Noons, aren't you dutch?
> Why did you learn English?
Surge Reel Loud! Not 2 Brite!
@home.com is bogus.