From: David H. Lipman on
From: "russg" <russgilb(a)sbcglobal.net>

| On Mar 21, 6:48 pm, "FromTheRafters" <erra...(a)nomail.afraid.org>
| wrote:
>> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...(a)Verizon.Net> wrote in
>> messagenews:ho5sh802gm4(a)news3.newsguy.com...

>> not> Since it is a trojan, it does
>> self replicate and as such does not
>> > auto-spread. Trojans
>> > need assistance to be installed such as Social Engineering (human
>> > exploit) software
>> > vulnerabilities, web site compramise, etc.

>> o

| Most (many?) usenet groups have a FAQ. The FAQ is usually more than a
| poster with a problem will
| want to read. I still am unsure of the distinction of virus, trojan,
| worm. I am sure that all three are
| malware, but I don't think alt.comp.malware would get much traffic.
| If the FAQ is posted once a
| month, or URLed mentioned, then it is fair to expect posters to know
| what's in the FAQ and
| refer people to it.

| I think there was a typo in one of Dave Lipman's responses:

| "Since it is a trojan, it does (? doesn't) self replicate and as such
| does not auto-spread. Trojans
| need assistance to be installed such as Social Engineer (human
| exploit) software
| vulnerabilities, web site compromise, etc."

| I apologize for suggesting a FAQ I'm not qualified to write.
| Plain usenetiquet to not multi-post, wouldn't go in a alt.comp.virus
| FAQ, so we would still get those.

| Regards

There is a FAQ but, it is old and outdated.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/computer-virus/posting-guidelines/

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


From: David H. Lipman on
From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic(a)nomail.afraid.org>

| "russg" <russgilb(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
| news:28779163-f1e6-4bea-b79b-6dd5cd476391(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...

| I think there was a typo in one of Dave Lipman's responses:

| ***
| I let it slide the first time (and the misspelling), but he must have
| copied and pasted it anew here, so I couldn't resist.
| Now if I could just get Dustin to stop using quiet for quite...
| ***


Yepper...

I phucked up my post(s) again :-(

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Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


From: Dustin Cook on
"FromTheRafters" <erratic(a)nomail.afraid.org> wrote in news:ho6go6$nsv$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

> "russg" <russgilb(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:28779163-f1e6-4bea-b79b-6dd5cd476391(a)q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
>
> I think there was a typo in one of Dave Lipman's responses:
>
> ***
> I let it slide the first time (and the misspelling), but he must have
> copied and pasted it anew here, so I couldn't resist.
> Now if I could just get Dustin to stop using quiet for quite...
> ***
>
>
>

Oops. :)


--
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this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior

From: Dustin Cook on
"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
news:ho6f0t02tp1(a)news3.newsguy.com:

> From: "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net>
>
> That post should only have been...
>
> "Remember that so-called benevolent email virus Netsky that purported
> to remove MyDoom and Bagle (Mitglieder) ?"
>

Well, it did as it claimed to do. :) It just.. well, didn't leave when it
completed those tasks..


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this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior

From: Dustin Cook on
"FromTheRafters" <erratic(a)nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
news:ho6f1m$dmb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org:

> "Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D42CD8C94A5AHHI2948AJD832(a)69.16.185.250...
>> "FromTheRafters" <erratic(a)nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
>> news:ho68m8$4vl$1
>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> "The Real Truth MVP" <trt(a)void.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ho64qb$9v0$1(a)leythos.motzarella.org...
>>>> MS calls them Trojan virus so nobody is wrong or right.
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/129972
>>>
>>> I was aware of that (and from many other reputable vendors of
>>> antivirus/antimalware).
>>>
>>> Just because they are experts, doesn't make them right. :o)
>>>
>>> I prefer the definitions proposed by non-antimalware experts
>>> (computer
>>> science experts) because I agree with them that viruses (in
>>> particular)
>>> are not necessarily malicious and could be applied benevolently.
>>
>> And yet, no-one has written a completely harmless virus which has any
>> benefit whatsoever that couldn't be achieved, non-virally.... It's
>> been a
>> very long long time, and still; nothing fitting that criteria has
>> ever been
>> produced by the proponents of a "good" virus. :)
>>
>> I just want you to know, that paragraph took a bit of typing for me;
>> I was
>> once one of the bad guys. hehehe... I hate being wrong, ya know? :)
>
> I understand your reluctance. But be that as it may, it doesn't
> preclude any future need to use the viral function. One that I
> mentioned in a previous discussion was in regard to replicating
> robotic pioneers. While they are close enough to have command and
> control send new software, there is no need for viruses. If they get
> too far away for that to be feasible, self-replicating software must
> accompany the self-replicating robots.
>
>
>

That's a very interesting theory of thought...My robotics knowledge is
severly outdated..



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"Hrrngh! Someday I'm going to hurl this...er...roll this...hrrngh..
nudge this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior

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