From: Paul Clement on
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 08:41:35 -0000, "Mike Williams" <Mike(a)WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote:

� > � He didn't ask that, troll! He posted to the Classic VB
� > � newsgroup and he specifically asked for a VB6 solution.
� >
� > That's up to him to decide, not you.

� He already DID decide! He SPECIFICALLY asked for a VB6 solution in the very
� post to which you were responding. You really are a stupid little boy,
� Clement!

� Troll.

� Mike



Then why did you post a Windows API solution? Or, don't you live by your own rules? ;-)


Paul
~~~~
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)
From: Mike Williams on
"Paul Clement" <UseAdddressAtEndofMessage(a)swspectrum.com> wrote in message
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> � The OP did NOT post his question on the VB.Net group.
> � He posted it here. Also, he SPECIFICALLY asked for
> � VB6 solution.
>
> Doesn't really matter.

.. . . and there we have it in a nutshell. As far as you are concerned the
person who posted the original question doesn't really matter. You are a
troll, Clement.

Mike


From: Mike Williams on
"Paul Clement" <UseAdddressAtEndofMessage(a)swspectrum.com> wrote in message
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> Then why did you post a Windows API solution? >

The more stupid things you say, Clement, the clearer it becomes that you are
a troll.

Mike


From: mayayana on

> Doesn't really matter. Not all functionality in an application is
developed in the environment or
> programming language you are using. It certainly isn't in the case of GDI
(as you suggested) and in
> many instances it isn't the case with ActiveX components (such as WIA).
But if you can use
> technologies as extensions from VB then it's certainly fair to mention
them.
>
> Ironically, the only time you object is when it's Visual Basic .NET.
Sounds like your objections are
> rampant with double-standard and credibility issues. ;-)
>

This is what Karl was talking about in terms of
intellectual dishonesty. You've recommended a
non-VB solution in a VB group and somehow you
manage to turn that upside down and portray it
as an attack on .Net! Since you really don't
understand concepts you just use them as weapons
where it suits you.

The objections are to .Net, and only .Net, because
nobody else is so rude as to try to sell their products
here. I don't remember anyone ever saying, "Well,
shucks, you could do that easily if you switch to Java."

According to this article:

http://www.vbaccelerator.com/home/vb/code/vbmedia/using_gdi_plus/GDIPlus_Hel
per/article.asp

..Net's Drawing object is just a thin wrapper around
gdiplus. So you're suggesting that somebody change
the language and tool they work with so that they
can use a superfluous wrapper, with a 300MB
dependency, around the same library that they probably
would have used in the first place. Come to think of
it, that's a fairly accurate description of .Net. :)


From: Paul Clement on
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:39:52 -0500, "mayayana" <mayayana(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:


� > Doesn't really matter. Not all functionality in an application is
� developed in the environment or
� > programming language you are using. It certainly isn't in the case of GDI
� (as you suggested) and in
� > many instances it isn't the case with ActiveX components (such as WIA).
� But if you can use
� > technologies as extensions from VB then it's certainly fair to mention
� them.
� >
� > Ironically, the only time you object is when it's Visual Basic .NET.
� Sounds like your objections are
� > rampant with double-standard and credibility issues. ;-)
� >

� This is what Karl was talking about in terms of
� intellectual dishonesty. You've recommended a
� non-VB solution in a VB group and somehow you
� manage to turn that upside down and portray it
� as an attack on .Net! Since you really don't
� understand concepts you just use them as weapons
� where it suits you.

Actually I'm turning it right side up.

I've seen Delphi discussions, PowerBASIC discussions, Realbasic discussions, etc. in this newsgroup
with respect to alternative solutions and no one, not even you, raises any objections. Amongst
development environments and languages it's only when Visual Basic .NET is mentioned that a select
few start raising a stink about it. If you're looking for intellectual dishonesty, there you go.


� The objections are to .Net, and only .Net, because
� nobody else is so rude as to try to sell their products
� here. I don't remember anyone ever saying, "Well,
� shucks, you could do that easily if you switch to Java."

OK, reality check. It's a Microsoft newsgroup. It's a Microsoft product. The next version is .NET.
You may not accept that, but it's the reality.

That said, no one is forcing you to use .NET. I suggest it as an option because ultimately Classic
VB will not be one. In the mean time I will continue to help Classic VB developers, and that may
mean suggesting Visual Basic .NET interop solutions. Sorry.

� According to this article:

� http://www.vbaccelerator.com/home/vb/code/vbmedia/using_gdi_plus/GDIPlus_Hel
� per/article.asp

� .Net's Drawing object is just a thin wrapper around
� gdiplus. So you're suggesting that somebody change
� the language and tool they work with so that they
� can use a superfluous wrapper, with a 300MB
� dependency, around the same library that they probably
� would have used in the first place. Come to think of
� it, that's a fairly accurate description of .Net. :)


No, in this instance I'm suggesting they consider reducing the amount of code they have to write and
also providing an option for them to move forward in the future. Unlike you (and a few others), I
will not deny alternatives and insist they stick with a solution until the day arrives when it's no
longer viable.


Paul
~~~~
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)