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From: John Larkin on 24 Jul 2010 14:28 On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Nunya <jack_shephard(a)cox.net> wrote: >On Jul 23, 9:20�pm, John Larkin ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:43:06 -0700, Rich Grise <richgr...(a)example.net> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:38:45 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:30:25 -0500, John Fields >> >> <jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >> >> >>>On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:52:06 -0700, Jim Thompson >> >>><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >> >>>>Let's Take A Vote... >> >> >>>>While I write this up, hopefully sometime this weekend, let me ask for >> >>>>votes... >> >> >>>>How many think, as Larkin opines, "charge is not conserved" ?? >> >> >>>>How many think charge IS conserved ?? >> >> >>>>Just curious what I'm up against here. >> >> >>>--- >> >>>Cordially, Jim, >> >> >>>All you're up against is Larkin's sophistry, and whether any of us votes >> >>>as to whether charge is conserved or not is immaterial, since nature >> >>>rules. >> >> >>>Post what you've got and let the chips fall where they may, there's >> >>>always Wikipedia which supports your position: >> >> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge#Conservation_of_electric... >> >> >>>On the other hand, if Larkin's right and energy is conserved but charge >> >>>isn't, then since charge is a measure of force, unbalanced lost charge >> >>>might be able to be used for propulsion. >> >> >> Charge is measured in coulombs. Force is measured in newtons. So how is >> >> charge "a measure of force"? >> >> >What's "electromotive force?" Its units are "volts," right? >> >> Now force is measured in volts? Dang, I was just getting used to >> measuring it in coulombs. >> >> >> >> >What was the original question? >> >> I have no idea. We're waiting for a "mathematical proof" of something, >> which might even include a statement of the problem. They often start >> out that way. >> >> John > >The Coulomb is a measure of flow idiot. Not flow rate, but flow >amount. >The volt is 'our' measure of force in this realm of 'charge' we >discuss here, >idiot, and has a direct relationship to the RATE at which those >coulombs >get to flow. > > So, are you now claiming to be "not one of us"? That figures as >well. I'm an electronics design engineer. I have no idea what you and your pals are. I use SI units; what do your buddies work in? John
From: Phil Hobbs on 24 Jul 2010 14:38 John Fields wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:52:06 -0700, Jim Thompson > <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >> Let's Take A Vote... >> >> While I write this up, hopefully sometime this weekend, let me ask for >> votes... >> >> How many think, as Larkin opines, "charge is not conserved" ?? >> >> How many think charge IS conserved ?? >> >> Just curious what I'm up against here. > http://www.cafepress.com/dd/1478200 Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
From: Jim Thompson on 24 Jul 2010 15:01 On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:24:55 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:15:09 -0700 (PDT), Nunya ><jack_shephard(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>On Jul 24, 8:30�am, John Larkin >><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:04:41 -0500, John Fields >>> >>> >>> >>> <jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >>> >On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:15:03 -0500, John Fields >>> ><jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:38:45 -0700, John Larkin >>> >><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:30:25 -0500, John Fields >>> >>><jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:52:06 -0700, Jim Thompson >>> >>>><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>Let's Take A Vote... >>> >>> >>>>>While I write this up, hopefully sometime this weekend, let me ask for >>> >>>>>votes... >>> >>> >>>>>How many think, as Larkin opines, "charge is not conserved" ?? >>> >>> >>>>>How many think charge IS conserved ?? >>> >>> >>>>>Just curious what I'm up against here. >>> >>> >>>>--- >>> >>>>Cordially, Jim, >>> >>> >>>>All you're up against is Larkin's sophistry, and whether any of us >>> >>>>votes as to whether charge is conserved or not is immaterial, since >>> >>>>nature rules. >>> >>> >>>>Post what you've got and let the chips fall where they may, there's >>> >>>>always Wikipedia which supports your position: >>> >>> >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge#Conservation_of_electric... >>> >>> >>>>On the other hand, if Larkin's right and energy is conserved but >>> >>>>charge isn't, then since charge is a measure of force, unbalanced lost >>> >>>>charge might be able to be used for propulsion. >>> >>> >>>Charge is measured in coulombs. Force is measured in newtons. So how >>> >>>is charge "a measure of force"? >>> >>> >>--- >>> >>news:2apl46hr8s01os8dv1aipdm19bcf64nec4(a)4ax.com >>> >>> >--- >>> >Oh, and the first sentence of the cited Wikipedia article reads: >>> >>> >"Electric charge is a physical property of matter which causes it >>> >to experience a force when near other electrically charged matter." >>> >>> >JF >>> >>> If you experience a pig, does that make you a pig? >>> >>> Look at the SI units if you want to determine if things are the same. >>> >>> Is a pig a Field? >>> >>> John >> >> You are an absolute idiot, Johnny. IF we were talking about >>MECHANICAL force,then yes, the unit might be described >>in Newtons. SINCE we are talking about electronic principals >>(you do know what the word 'principal' means, right?), then >>the FORCE being mentioned would OBVIOUSLY be EMF >>or abvolts. >> Grow up, you idiot. > >Force is measured in newtons. Look it up. > >Now we have claims that coulombs, volts, and abvolts are all measures >of force. Any other contributions? Can you measure force in >milliseconds, or in henries? Do any units mean anything at all? > >John Here we go again. It just depends on what your definition of "electromotive force" is :-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: Jim Thompson on 24 Jul 2010 15:03 On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:38:53 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >John Fields wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:52:06 -0700, Jim Thompson >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >>> Let's Take A Vote... >>> >>> While I write this up, hopefully sometime this weekend, let me ask for >>> votes... >>> >>> How many think, as Larkin opines, "charge is not conserved" ?? >>> >>> How many think charge IS conserved ?? >>> >>> Just curious what I'm up against here. >> > > >http://www.cafepress.com/dd/1478200 > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs Of course. Child molestation exists in Catholic land ONLY if you get caught. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Help Stamp Out Racism... Recycle Congress In 2010
From: Phil Hobbs on 24 Jul 2010 15:09
Jim Thompson wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:38:53 -0400, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> John Fields wrote: >>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:52:06 -0700, Jim Thompson >>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Let's Take A Vote... >>>> >>>> While I write this up, hopefully sometime this weekend, let me ask for >>>> votes... >>>> >>>> How many think, as Larkin opines, "charge is not conserved" ?? >>>> >>>> How many think charge IS conserved ?? >>>> >>>> Just curious what I'm up against here. >> >> http://www.cafepress.com/dd/1478200 >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Hobbs > > Of course. Child molestation exists in Catholic land ONLY if you get > caught. > > ...Jim Thompson As I said to Vlad the other day, where I come from we know a trick worth two of that one. You can get more integrated current out of a transformer than you put in, too. So what? Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |