From: Rod Speed on
annily wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> annily wrote
>>> Clocky wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> annily wrote
>>>>>> Gregory Shearman wrote
>>>>>>> annily <annily(a)ihopethisdoesntexist.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> A few weeks ago, I bought a cheap PC, without operating system,
>>>>>>>> and installed Windows 7 on it.
>>
>>>>>>>> It developed a problem where the system woould freeze for 30
>>>>>>>> seconds or more at seemingly random intervals, with the hard
>>>>>>>> disk LED on solid. I originally thought it was a problem with Win 7,
>>>>>>>> since other people had reported similar symptoms with that.
>>>>>>>> After quite a bit of troubleshooting, trying things that had
>>>>>>>> apparently worked for other people and getting nowhere, I
>>>>>>>> decided to try Win XP on the same hardware. Lo and behold, it
>>>>>>>> had the problem too. I then installed Win 7 on an older Dell
>>>>>>>> system. This worked fine, so I began to suspect that it was
>>>>>>>> some sort of hardware-related problem with the new system.
>>>>>>>> So today, I replaced the WD drive with a Samsung HD502HJ, and
>>>>>>>> after several hours running, the problem has not occurred.
>>>>>>>> The WD drive is a WD10EADS. The motherboard is an Asus
>>>>>>>> P5KPL-AM/PS. Another interesting point is that the new Samsung
>>>>>>>> drive does not show up under Disk Drives in Device Manager,
>>>>>>>> despite the fact that it shows in the BIOS and works fine. I've never seen that
>>>>>>>> before.
>>
>>>>>>> I run the same Western Digital HDD. It's a SATA drive and I've
>>>>>>> had no problems at all with it running under Linux. I've had the
>>>>>>> drive for around 6 months now.
>>
>>>>>> Good for you, but not particularly relevant to my problem with
>>>>>> the drive under two different versions of Windows and presumably
>>>>>> different hardware from yours. I certainly was not suggesting
>>>>>> that the drive would cause this symptom in all cases. I can only
>>>>>> assume I have a fairly unusual configuration.
>>
>>>>> Or you just have a dying drive and the Everest SMART report will
>>>>> prove if that is the case.
>>
>>>> Not always.
>>
>> Yes, always if its dying due to reallocated sectors or pending
>> sectors.
>>> SMART isn't all that reliable.
>>
>> Its completely reliable on those two stats.
>>
>>> Well, I've had a fun time today, NOT!
>>
>>> I haven't yet given the WD drive a good run with the latest BIOS,
>>> but I thought I'd try to re-partition my Samsung using True Image
>>> from the rescue disk, as suggested by Rod. I couldn't actually work
>>> out how to do that without restoring something,
>>
>> Thats how you do it, should have said that explicitly. Acronis' Disk
>> Director Suite will do it without a restore, but you did ask for a freeware app
>> that could do it, thats why I mentioned TI which does have an older version thats
>> freeware.
>>> so I restored my latest backup.
>>
>>> I did this to the latter part of the drive, which it managed by
>>> reducing the size of the existing partition (which was the whole
>>> 500GB disk). Unfortunately, after this, the existing partition,
>>> which had my current Windows 7 OS on it, became unallocated space,
>>> so that OS was no longer accessible.
>>
>> That shouldnt have happened. Most likely its some quirk of Win 7.
>>
>> You should be able to fix that by repeating the restore with the new
>> drive partitiioning.
>
> I was actually planning to do that (probably today) anyway, because
> for some reason, after I restored the Win 7 system with TI, it was no
> longer activated, despite being activated when the backup was taken.
> This may have been a result of all the mucking around with boot
> records I had to do yesterday to get a bootable system again.
>
>>> I was hoping it would leave this part of the drive untouched
>>> (except for reducing it's size).
>>
>> Thats what it should have done.
>>
>>> Anyhow, at least I got my two partitions on the drive, and the
>>> backup image I restored was only a couple of days old, and I had other
>>> backups for important files up to 22:00 last night, so I didn't
>>> lose much.
>>
>>> The interesting part was that, after the partitioning, the Samsung
>>> drive now shows up in Windows Device Manager and Disk Management.
>>> God knows why it didn't before, but the partitioning achieved the
>>> desired result.
>>
>> Bet its some quirk of Win7 again. It is after all very new.
>>
>>> To complicate matters, the problem I had the other day with the
>>> network not working after installing the WD drive, decided to occur
>>> again. Normal Windows troubleshooting, including resetting the
>>> network adapter and trying different cables, had no effect.
>>
>>> Eventually, I decided to open up the case, and jiggle the
>>> connection of the Ethernet socket to the motherboard. Lo and
>>> behold, it works again.
>>
>> Yeah, I get that with the PVR, the connector isnt that solid.
>>
>
> Yeah, I'll know what to do if it happens again.
>
>>> When I've had time to recover from all this, I'll probably try the
>>> WD drive again. I should probably leave well enough alone, but I
>>> can't resist the urge to fiddle with things.
>>
>> Yeah, its the only way to really understand stuff.
>>
>>
>
> Can be very frustrating though, when things don't work the way you expect.

Sure, but life wasnt meant to be frustration free.


From: Gregory Shearman on
On 2009-12-04, annily <annily(a)ihopethisdoesntexist.com> wrote:
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>> I run the same Western Digital HDD. It's a SATA drive and I've had no
>> problems at all with it running under Linux. I've had the drive for
>> around 6 months now.
>>
>
> Good for you, but not particularly relevant to my problem with the drive
> under two different versions of Windows and presumably different
> hardware from yours. I certainly was not suggesting that the drive would
> cause this symptom in all cases. I can only assume I have a fairly
> unusual configuration.

My comments are relevant as far as reassuring others considering a
purchase of this hardware that problems aren't universal.

This newsgroup isn't only about you and your problems.

--
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
From: annily on
Gregory Shearman wrote:
> On 2009-12-04, annily <annily(a)ihopethisdoesntexist.com> wrote:
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>> I run the same Western Digital HDD. It's a SATA drive and I've had no
>>> problems at all with it running under Linux. I've had the drive for
>>> around 6 months now.
>>>
>> Good for you, but not particularly relevant to my problem with the drive
>> under two different versions of Windows and presumably different
>> hardware from yours. I certainly was not suggesting that the drive would
>> cause this symptom in all cases. I can only assume I have a fairly
>> unusual configuration.
>
> My comments are relevant as far as reassuring others considering a
> purchase of this hardware that problems aren't universal.
>

Why would anyone have needed reassurance? I though it was pretty clear
from my post that I had a problem specific to my configuration.

> This newsgroup isn't only about you and your problems.
>

I never suggested it was.

--
Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
which may or may not influence my opinions.
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