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From: Aahz on 6 Jun 2010 01:14 In article <4c09b1f7$0$28659$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Steven D'Aprano <steve(a)REMOVE-THIS-cybersource.com.au> wrote: > >I'm sorry for all you people who don't live in a place with a genuinely >free market, and instead have to suffer with the lack of competition and >poor service of a monopoly or duopoly masquerading as a free market. But >*my* point was that your woes are not universal, and Usenet is alive and >well. It might be declining, but it's a long, slow decline and, like >Cobol, it will probably still be around a decade after the cool kids >declared it dead. Your position is the same as mine as of about two weeks ago, before someone sent this to me: http://news.duke.edu/2010/05/usenet.html Now I think that if even a top-tier educational institution isn't willing to serve as a living museum for a technology it created, maybe the death of Usenet is closer than I'd like to think. :-( Sucks because nothing replaces a good netnews client. -- Aahz (aahz(a)pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra
From: Monte Milanuk on 6 Jun 2010 12:11 On 6/5/10 10:11 PM, Aahz wrote: > In article<mailman.872.1275580208.32709.python-list(a)python.org>, > Monte Milanuk<memilanuk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Decent NNTP access is harder to find. Not impossible, but no longer >> a 'free' part of most standard ISP access any more. > > This seems like a good time to promote my ISP: panix.com Used to have an account with them... but of less value to someone on local fiber with an essentially static IP and their own Linux server.
From: Aahz on 6 Jun 2010 12:46 In article <mailman.994.1275840759.32709.python-list(a)python.org>, Monte Milanuk <memilanuk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 6/5/10 10:11 PM, Aahz wrote: >> In article<mailman.872.1275580208.32709.python-list(a)python.org>, >> Monte Milanuk<memilanuk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Decent NNTP access is harder to find. Not impossible, but no longer >>> a 'free' part of most standard ISP access any more. >> >> This seems like a good time to promote my ISP: panix.com > >Used to have an account with them... but of less value to someone on >local fiber with an essentially static IP and their own Linux server. Less perhaps, but I prefer to rely on someone else's sysadmin and I really don't want to allow remote connections into my home network. -- Aahz (aahz(a)pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not start writing it." --Dijkstra
From: rantingrick on 6 Jun 2010 13:17 On Jun 2, 3:04 am, pyDev <einars.stra...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to let the community know that there is a new web-based > forum for Python enthusiasts over at PythonForum.org (http:// > pythonforum.org). There has been many arguments here for and against Usenet. Personally I say the rein of Usenet is coming to its logical conclusion. Dead as a clavo! Much better interfaces abound. But most importantly the newbies are never aware of Usenet for some time (sadly). Some would say keeping out the baby noobs is a good thing, i could not disagree more! I ask of you, what is this group for if not to help the very noobs you wish to keep out? Without the banner of help the only flag left to fly is that of a troll fest nation. I have seen even the most tangential issues linger on and on in perpetual infantile poop tossing contests that only the following thirsty orangutan could hold his candle to... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DBuk91phkI&feature=related ....notice the url on separate line. Yes the die is cast people, the new generation awaits to claim their stakes in the footholds of Pythonia. This is the natural course of things really. But the old timers will linger for some time hashing and re hashing old war stories that fall on placid ears. Yes my friends, Rock n Roll is dead, Elvis has left the building, Johnny's no longer here (or there), and whilst Usenet is not quite yet dead, it is rapidly approaching putrefaction on the on the grapevine of history.
From: Monte Milanuk on 6 Jun 2010 13:24
On 6/6/10 9:46 AM, Aahz wrote: > but I prefer to rely on someone else's sysadmin and I > really don't want to allow remote connections into my home network. To each their own... while Panix is fairly relaxed as a shell host, I prefer to not have someone else telling me what I can and can't install or use, especially when I'm paying. To be honest I can't SSH out from work anymore, so the remote connections / static IP is somewhat of a moot point. What I was trying to say was I don't get the point of paying for an account on a provider clear across the country simply for the sake of getting Usenet access... especially when more and more large institutions are shutting theirs down (i.e. the death knoll for usenet as others have pointed out). Perhaps it would count for 'geek' points, but I'm not too worried about that ;) YMMV, Monte |