Replacement for Dell 8110?
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From: Boris on 21 Jun 2010 14:38 Christopher Muto <muto(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in news:lamdnZ-X_tN1uoHRnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net: > Tony Harding wrote: >> On 06/17/10 10:05, Christopher Muto wrote: >>> Christopher Muto wrote: >>>> James wrote: >>>>> I am ready to replace my Dell 8110. My price range is "around" >>>>> $500. I use the computer for web browsing, email, and some >>>>> document handling. Don't need fancy graphics, but would like >>>>> whatever I get to be faster than >>>>> the 8110. Huge disk space isn't important either. >>>>> >>>>> What would you all recommend in this price range, for a basic >>>>> desktop replacement for my Dell 8110 ?? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks !! >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>> >>>> not sure what an 8110 is but am guessing that it is a desktop. >>>> dell doesn't sell any really inexpensive desktops that are good >>>> values. they bait you with low prices for machines that really >>>> skimp on the configuration (miserable slow processor, limited >>>> memory, limited disk, no recordable drive) and when you upgrade to >>>> the desired component you are suddendly at a price point beyond >>>> what you wanted (and would have been better off starting with a >>>> better configured system on the dell site in the first place). >>>> also you didn't say if you needed a monitor or not and almost all >>>> dells come with monitors (it is hard to find systems that can be >>>> configured without). >>>> i suggest you have a look at this machine from staples. it is good >>>> price on a very capable machine. >>>> http://www.staples.com/Compaq-Presario-CQ5320F-Desktop-PC/product_84 >>>> 7570 >>>> >>> >>> i shopped dell for a low end machine and found their least expensive >>> model which is very comparable system to the $299 one i mentioned >>> from staples... >>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dddobh1&c=us&l= >>> en&s=dhs&cs=19 >>> >>> >>> the dell costs $100 more ($379 + $19 shipping = $398 plus tax) which >>> is not a lot of dollars but it is a huge 33% percentage difference. >>> the dell does have a larger hard disk (750gb vs 500gb) and a >>> slightly better integrated video card, but that is it. certainly not >>> worth the 33% ($100) premium. there is one other difference between >>> these two machine... the compaq you can take home from staples today >>> and the dell you will have to wait for to be build and then shipped >>> (these days that takes dell two weeks or more to do). >> >> Not if you pick a 48-hour model. Not a 48 hour model, but I ordered >> an XPS 9000 on the Web 12/22/09 with 2 day shipping and it was >> delivered 12/31/09, which included Christmas. >> >> Another difference, if you buy an HP/Compaq, you have an HP/Compaq. >> Don't know what this is worth to you, but I'd go for a Dell. To look >> at comparable dollars, can you configure the Paq with a bigger >> HDD/video card? >> >> How much memory do they have and what version of Win is included? > > and xps 9000 with monitor is not going to fit this persons stated > budget of $500. and why do you think hp/compaq is inferior to dell > when all recent surveys now rate hp/cpq a notch above dell, which i > tend to agree with. the only thing dell has going for it is the > system service manuals listed on their support web site which are a > tremendous value to laptop owners once their system is out of warranty > as it affords them the possibility of doing a repair themselves. i > don't understand what dell is doing to sustain its business. there is > nothing innovative or forward thinking about the company right now. > they are not at all diversified or even offering anything remotely > interesting. the dell phone was a total flop (what were they > thinking?). they sell commodity computers of which the most creative > thing they have done in the last five years has been to take a page > from sony's play book and offer their computers with different color > front panels. they seem to get 10% of the cost of the entire system > just for the panel. dell has shifted away from their core business of > made to order machines to pre-built machines via costco, staples, > bestbuy, and their own mail order 'fasttrack' models. built to order > machines now require the longest wait times in their history and for > that they actually charge you more (ie a vostro 430 fastrack elite > costs $789 and the same configuration as the one fasttrack model > (which only comes preloaded with windows xp, yes xp) made from the > various configurations of their build to order vostro 430 machines > cost $75 to $150 more. hp has a lot more to their product line than > just pcs and laptops. sure dell sells printers, but they don't make > them. hp actually makes its own printers and they have a more depth > to their printer offerings as well as respect by business buyers. > i feel kind of sad and sorry for dell, they seem to be going the > way > of gm and right now are coming off of years of tremendous success that > lead them to complacency and laziness. they need to do something fast > or i think they may slip away altogether. hp has $120 billion in > revenues and a 7.09% profit margin. dell has $55 billion in revenue > and a meager 2.86% profit margin. it can not survive in its present > condition and so it is no surprise that customer service (viewed as a > cost and not an income center) is suffering at dell. > Interesting post. While I'm not in the market right now for any type of a machine, I have been watching Dell's offerings with interest, and noticed the push towards ready to ship average machines, that when I customize, get way too expensive. Also, the outlet prices aren't all that great unless you happen to catch something once in a while. I used to buy and recommend Dell exclusively to friends and relatives, but no longer. The manuals are very handy, but the tradeoff isn't worth it anymore. I have begun looking at other manufacturers for laptops and desktops. My daughter bought a 13" Win7 Toshiba laptop a few months ago, and she really likes it, and so do I. First non-dell in the extended family for 10 years. My other daughter bought a 21" iMac three weeks ago, after using Dells since 1999. She is having fun, and I sort of like it just because it's 'different' (for me). FWIW....
From: Tony Harding on 25 Jun 2010 09:13
On 06/18/10 22:13, Christopher Muto wrote: > Tony Harding wrote: >> On 06/17/10 10:05, Christopher Muto wrote: >>> Christopher Muto wrote: >>>> James wrote: >>>>> I am ready to replace my Dell 8110. My price range is "around" $500. >>>>> I use the computer for web browsing, email, and some document >>>>> handling. >>>>> Don't need fancy graphics, but would like whatever I get to be faster >>>>> than >>>>> the 8110. Huge disk space isn't important either. >>>>> >>>>> What would you all recommend in this price range, for a basic desktop >>>>> replacement for my Dell 8110 ?? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks !! >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>> >>>> not sure what an 8110 is but am guessing that it is a desktop. >>>> dell doesn't sell any really inexpensive desktops that are good >>>> values. they bait you with low prices for machines that really skimp >>>> on the configuration (miserable slow processor, limited memory, >>>> limited disk, no recordable drive) and when you upgrade to the desired >>>> component you are suddendly at a price point beyond what you wanted >>>> (and would have been better off starting with a better configured >>>> system on the dell site in the first place). >>>> also you didn't say if you needed a monitor or not and almost all >>>> dells come with monitors (it is hard to find systems that can be >>>> configured without). >>>> i suggest you have a look at this machine from staples. it is good >>>> price on a very capable machine. >>>> http://www.staples.com/Compaq-Presario-CQ5320F-Desktop-PC/product_847570 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> i shopped dell for a low end machine and found their least expensive >>> model which is very comparable system to the $299 one i mentioned from >>> staples... >>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dddobh1&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19 >>> >>> >>> the dell costs $100 more ($379 + $19 shipping = $398 plus tax) which is >>> not a lot of dollars but it is a huge 33% percentage difference. the >>> dell does have a larger hard disk (750gb vs 500gb) and a slightly better >>> integrated video card, but that is it. certainly not worth the 33% >>> ($100) premium. there is one other difference between these two >>> machine... the compaq you can take home from staples today and the dell >>> you will have to wait for to be build and then shipped (these days that >>> takes dell two weeks or more to do). >> >> Not if you pick a 48-hour model. Not a 48 hour model, but I ordered an >> XPS 9000 on the Web 12/22/09 with 2 day shipping and it was delivered >> 12/31/09, which included Christmas. >> >> Another difference, if you buy an HP/Compaq, you have an HP/Compaq. >> Don't know what this is worth to you, but I'd go for a Dell. To look >> at comparable dollars, can you configure the Paq with a bigger >> HDD/video card? >> >> How much memory do they have and what version of Win is included? > > and xps 9000 with monitor is not going to fit this persons stated budget > of $500. Of course not, offered only to show shipping, not a suggestion to OP. > and why do you think hp/compaq is inferior to dell when all > recent surveys now rate hp/cpq a notch above dell, I may be woefully out of date, but when I looked at Compaqs and Dells about a decade ago the Dells were a much better box, e.g., the Compaqs had proprietary parts, sharp interior edges, sloppy wiring, etc. Dell offered much more bang for one's dollar. I never got the impression things got any better under Carly F. No personal experience with H-P boxes, but under the impression they're middle of the road quality & performance. > which i tend to agree > with. the only thing dell has going for it is the system service manuals > listed on their support web site which are a tremendous value to laptop > owners once their system is out of warranty as it affords them the > possibility of doing a repair themselves. i don't understand what dell > is doing to sustain its business. there is nothing innovative or forward > thinking about the company right now. they are not at all diversified or > even offering anything remotely interesting. the dell phone was a total > flop (what were they thinking?). they sell commodity computers of which > the most creative thing they have done in the last five years has been > to take a page from sony's play book and offer their computers with > different color front panels. they seem to get 10% of the cost of the > entire system just for the panel. dell has shifted away from their core > business of made to order machines to pre-built machines via costco, > staples, bestbuy, and their own mail order 'fasttrack' models. Hm, I order either build to order or Outlet from Dell and have never had a delay on the delivery side (talking real world dates, not the fairy tales which emerge from their ordering system sometimes). > built to order machines now require the longest wait times in their history and > for that they actually charge you more (ie a vostro 430 fastrack elite > costs $789 and the same configuration as the one fasttrack model (which > only comes preloaded with windows xp, yes xp) made from the various > configurations of their build to order vostro 430 machines cost $75 to > $150 more. Didn't experience anything like that when I bought the XPS 9000 12/09. > hp has a lot more to their product line than just pcs and laptops. So does GM, what's your point? > sure dell sells printers, but they don't make them. hp actually > makes its own printers and they have a more depth to their printer > offerings as well as respect by business buyers. I've never considered buying a Dell printer. I've had 2 HP LaserJets, a Series II in 1987 (a workhorse, well designed & built, lasted for years) and a Personal 5XL in 1997 (developed feed problems in a year or 2). I believe the ones designed for office use were still well designed & built, like the Series II. Currently using a Brother Laser MFC-8840D all-in-one, a real workhorse, since 2005, and an Epson Color Stylus R300 for color stuff since 2004. They've both been extraordinary IMHO. > i feel kind of sad and > sorry for dell, they seem to be going the way of gm and right now are > coming off of years of tremendous success that lead them to complacency > and laziness. I sure hope not, but time will tell. |