To 64 or not to 64?
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From: Pete Puma on 15 Jul 2010 14:20 That's my question. Thinking about installing 64-bit openSuse 11.3 for speed reasons, but I do run many out of the way desktop programs: Xosview, Metamorphose, EasyTag, FileZilla, Catfish, which I'm sure are only compiled in 32-bit. Then there's that whole 64-bit mess with Firefox and Flash and I'm not sure if that's ever been resolved. Can anyone let me know the further drawbacks of going 64? Also, am I correct that 32 bit apps won't run at all?
From: mjt on 15 Jul 2010 14:34 On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:20:27 -0400 Pete Puma <pete(a)puma.org> wrote: > Thinking about installing 64-bit openSuse 11.3 for speed reasons, but > I do run many out of the way desktop programs: Xosview, Metamorphose, > EasyTag, FileZilla, Catfish, which I'm sure are only compiled in > 32-bit. > > Then there's that whole 64-bit mess with Firefox and Flash and I'm > not sure if that's ever been resolved. > > Can anyone let me know the further drawbacks of going 64? Also, am I > correct that 32 bit apps won't run at all? I can't speak about those "out of the way" applications you've listed, but I've been running 64-bit distros for quite a while now, without issues. I run Chromium and Firefox and don't have any issues with Flash. -- Absurdity, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. - Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" <<< Remove YOURSHOES to email me >>>
From: David Bolt on 15 Jul 2010 14:46 On Thursday 15 Jul 2010 19:20, while playing with a tin of spray paint, Pete Puma painted this mural: > That's my question. > > Thinking about installing 64-bit openSuse 11.3 for speed reasons, but I do > run many out of the way desktop programs: Xosview, Metamorphose, EasyTag, > FileZilla, Catfish, which I'm sure are only compiled in 32-bit. These are from 11.2, because my 11.3 system is occupied at the moment so I can't check using that, but if you give Packman a few days to build their packages against the release version 11.3, you should find a similar match: davjam(a)moray:~/disc_1> zypper se -s xosview metamorphose easytag filezilla catfish Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository --+--------------------+------------+----------------+--------+------------ | catfish | package | 0.3.2-0.pm.3.1 | noarch | Packman | catfish | srcpackage | 0.3.2-0.pm.3.1 | noarch | Packman i | easytag | package | 2.1.6-1.pm.1.4 | x86_64 | Packman v | easytag | package | 2.1.6-1.pm.1.4 | i586 | Packman | easytag | srcpackage | 2.1.6-1.pm.1.4 | noarch | Packman | easytag-debuginfo | package | 2.1.6-1.pm.1.4 | x86_64 | Packman | easytag-debuginfo | package | 2.1.6-1.pm.1.4 | i586 | Packman i | filezilla | package | 3.0.3-123.6 | x86_64 | 11.2_mirror v | filezilla | package | 3.0.3-123.6 | i586 | 11.2_mirror | metamorphose | package | 1.1.2-0.pm.3.1 | noarch | Packman | metamorphose | srcpackage | 1.1.2-0.pm.3.1 | noarch | Packman | metamorphose-lang | package | 1.1.2-0.pm.3.1 | noarch | Packman | metamorphose2 | package | 0.6.6-0.pm.1.1 | noarch | Packman | metamorphose2 | srcpackage | 0.6.6-0.pm.1.1 | noarch | Packman | metamorphose2-lang | package | 0.6.6-0.pm.1.1 | noarch | Packman | xosview | package | 1.8.3-201.1 | x86_64 | 11.2_mirror | xosview | package | 1.8.3-201.1 | i586 | 11.2_mirror > Then there's that whole 64-bit mess with Firefox and Flash and I'm not sure > if that's ever been resolved. Don't tell that to the version of Firefox that's installed on my system. It quite happily plays Flash videos without issues. > Can anyone let me know the further drawbacks of going 64? There's a slight increase in memory footprints and app sizes, but it's not really a huge increase. > Also, am I correct > that 32 bit apps won't run at all? No you're not correct. With the required 32bit libraries installed, you can use 32bit and 64bit apps on a 64bit system. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net | | openSUSE 11.3RC2 32b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02 | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11
From: LSMFT on 15 Jul 2010 16:36 Pete Puma wrote: > That's my question. > > Thinking about installing 64-bit openSuse 11.3 for speed reasons, but I do > run many out of the way desktop programs: Xosview, Metamorphose, EasyTag, > FileZilla, Catfish, which I'm sure are only compiled in 32-bit. > > Then there's that whole 64-bit mess with Firefox and Flash and I'm not sure > if that's ever been resolved. > > Can anyone let me know the further drawbacks of going 64? Also, am I correct > that 32 bit apps won't run at all? 32 bit programs run fine on 64 bit machines with 64 bit OS's. In the case of Flash, if no 32 bit version yet, just use a 32 bit browser and flash works fine. I don't even know if there is a 64 bit Firefox. -- LSMFT I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her.
From: Jan Kandziora on 15 Jul 2010 16:39
Pete Puma schrieb: > > Thinking about installing 64-bit openSuse 11.3 for speed reasons, > Speed? The only direct benefit of using the 64-bit version is having the ability to use more than 3GB of address space for each process. Which makes sense only if you do serious number-crunching, like processing really really big images or video data. Of course having far more than 3GB of RAM comes handy in that case, too. 32 Bit+PAE does the trick in all other cases. > but I do > run many out of the way desktop programs: Xosview, Metamorphose, EasyTag, > FileZilla, Catfish, which I'm sure are only compiled in 32-bit. > > Then there's that whole 64-bit mess with Firefox and Flash and I'm not > sure if that's ever been resolved. > You can't use 32-bit libraries for 64-bit applications, and vice-versa. Some plugins aren't available in 64-bit. Or haven't been in the past. > Can anyone let me know the further drawbacks of going 64? Also, am I > correct that 32 bit apps won't run at all? > 32-bit applications will run, just install the supplemental 32-Bit libraries for them. Kind regards Jan |