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From: Geoff on 5 Mar 2010 23:30 It's all a beautiful cloud... Just wait until they put the whole package online and your IDE is merely a client for the cloud compiler on their servers. The only advantage I see to online documentation vs. local is that they can update or correct it on the server without distribution overhead. Is it cheaper to do this? Feature creep has made the VC 6.0 IDE the last best effort. How 20th century can you be.
From: Hector Santos on 6 Mar 2010 04:17 Yup, Soon we will have the recycled golden egg - centralization, no installation. Your projects will be stored in the big Microsoft farm. Back to Time-Sharing. What do you think the pricing model will be lie? Lets see: - $1.00 New Projects - Single Developer - $1.00 per Developer Project Sharing - $0.50 per 100 YLINES (Your Lines) - $0.50 per FORM Or free but charge: - 20% Royalty - $.01 per Run capped at X value based on Royalties? :) Geoff wrote: > It's all a beautiful cloud... > > Just wait until they put the whole package online and your IDE is > merely a client for the cloud compiler on their servers. > > The only advantage I see to online documentation vs. local is that > they can update or correct it on the server without distribution > overhead. Is it cheaper to do this? > > Feature creep has made the VC 6.0 IDE the last best effort. How 20th > century can you be. -- HLS
From: Hector Santos on 6 Mar 2010 04:58 Here's the irony in this recycle of centralization vs decentralization frameworks. Today, there is someone born who within 10 years (yup 10 years old will be molding the future) will get the bright idea that if you offload some of the processing and storage into his small device by attaching a device called a "hard drive", he can program at home (under his bed covers) without being wired to the net. Of course his small device will be programmed to watch for such activity and consider it immoral, anti-establishment and Net FBI units will come to your home. Or APPLE will sue you for Decentralization Crimes. :) Hector Santos wrote: > Yup, Soon we will have the recycled golden egg - centralization, no > installation. Your projects will be stored in the big Microsoft farm. > Back to Time-Sharing. What do you think the pricing model will be > lie? Lets see: > > - $1.00 New Projects - Single Developer > - $1.00 per Developer Project Sharing > - $0.50 per 100 YLINES (Your Lines) > - $0.50 per FORM > > Or free but charge: > > - 20% Royalty > - $.01 per Run capped at X value based on Royalties? > > :) > > Geoff wrote: > >> It's all a beautiful cloud... >> >> Just wait until they put the whole package online and your IDE is >> merely a client for the cloud compiler on their servers. >> >> The only advantage I see to online documentation vs. local is that >> they can update or correct it on the server without distribution >> overhead. Is it cheaper to do this? >> >> Feature creep has made the VC 6.0 IDE the last best effort. How 20th >> century can you be. > > > -- HLS
From: Hector Santos on 6 Mar 2010 05:18 Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: > All I can say is that the current "help" product is the single worst excuse for "help" I > have seen in many years. The lack of an index or table of contents renders it completely > unusable. It is terrible. > But it maintains the trend that every help system as delivered is far, far > worse than its predecessor. Not just a little bit worse, a WHOLE WHOPPING LOT worse. You > have to admire the consistency, I suppose. But as an end user, I find it terribly > frustrating. I can only hope that this defect will be fixed because of the outcry. Feel > free to complain, long and loud. I certainly have. > joe Well, one gets tired of the complaining. It just makes you wonder what are the forcing functions here. Could it be that it was outsourced or that its the new mindset of developers are just wired more? The open source influence? Or is it a strategy to leverage BI? I tend to go with the latter as a major influence since it allows MS to measure what help is looked up, what languages people are using, what sub-system people are concentrated on, etc. But it isn't that the function referecnce help is much different, just wired. A reference guide is different than a "How to" guide. Or it is IntelliNonsense substitutes a function reference display? I don't know, it makes you wonder what/who is influencing these decisions and the justifications. As always, I will need to blame someone, I blame Ray Ozzie. :) -- HLS
From: Cmplx80 on 6 Mar 2010 08:38
Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: > More and more, based on what I've seen in the public documents, they assume that everyone > has 24/7 connectivity. Given how often I have installed "Everything" for the MSDN > library, only to find it tries to link me to the Microsoft Web site, or asks me to "Please > put MSDN Library Disk 3 into the D: drive", it is clear that "Everything" means "some > stuff", and the "some" is becoming a smaller and smaller subset of the complete > documentation. > > I currently have something like 7 terabytes of online storage, 5 of which are on my main > server (and another five are on my backup server, and hence simply duplicate the first > server). I DON'T CARE ABOUT DISK SPACE! Most people can add a terabyte for less than the > cost of a month's vente crappacino supply at their local Starbuckoid. Disk space is > irrelevant. Yet they keep reducing the offline content, and systematically destroy the > usability of the tools, which just doesn't make sense. I can only speak about what I see > in public documents, of course, and my experience with public distributions. > > All I can say is that the current "help" product is the single worst excuse for "help" I > have seen in many years. The lack of an index or table of contents renders it completely > unusable. But it maintains the trend that every help system as delivered is far, far > worse than its predecessor. Not just a little bit worse, a WHOLE WHOPPING LOT worse. You > have to admire the consistency, I suppose. But as an end user, I find it terribly > frustrating. I can only hope that this defect will be fixed because of the outcry. Feel > free to complain, long and loud. I certainly have. > joe > > On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:31:28 -0500, Hector Santos <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote: > >> So basically, the new era of the Microsoft software development >> requires an internet connection? >> >> All I need 80-90% of the time is a F1 Help on the cursored/highlighted >> function like the old way - what was wrong with that? Hypertext >> functionality could be as good too - and was. >> >> Makes you wonder how we got this far. :) >> >> Anyway, right now it is broken. I had to use my V6 MSDN help on the >> machine next to me and if I need something more deep or a "how to do" >> then I google, but as a quick reference, F1 dynamic help was very >> productive IMO. >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> >> Cmplx80 wrote: >> >>> Hector Santos wrote: >>>> Cmplx80 wrote: I have filed my complaint through MSDN Connect. This negative downturn in help/doc viewing functionality outweighs any VS 1010 positives. For me, it's a deal-breaker. This is clearly a case of box, ribbon, and packing, but no goods. Frank >>>> >>>>> I think my favorite help fiasco is when help topic shows as "local" >>>>> and it can't be found anywhere. This is just broken stuff in so many >>>>> ways. >>>>> >>>> I can't stand it. >>>> >>>> I heard a rumor that MS went back to the *.CHM help for MSDN? True, >>>> False or half true? >>>> >>> I know a lot of this is simply personal preference, but I have no love >>> for .chm as a help/documentation engine. It's okay for just linear >>> reading, but often, my searches for info in .chm docs become >>> multi-pathed, convoluted processes of clicking, viewing lists, clicking, >>> ad infinitum. I usually just give up and google it if I'm online. >>> >>> For flying through documentation, dexplorer's content, filter, index, >>> and search features are about as good as it gets...for me, that is. >>> >>> Frank > Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] > email: newcomer(a)flounder.com > Web: http://www.flounder.com > MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm |