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From: Alexander Grigoriev on 7 Mar 2010 10:46 "Bo Persson" <bop(a)gmb.dk> wrote in message news:7vh9r0F8snU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Remember, he's the Lotus Notes father! The worst email client ever. > > That's because it isn't an email client, but a GroupWare platform that > just happens to do email on the side. :-) > and a kitchen sink on the other side!
From: Jerry Coffin on 8 Mar 2010 12:00 In article <o1m3p5h3nq0vrd0q64i79ebmkb579k562v(a)4ax.com>, geoff(a)invalid.invalid says... [ ... ] > Feature creep has made the VC 6.0 IDE the last best effort. How > 20th century can you be. Sadly, no. In terms of the IDE and help system, 5.0 was still better than 6.0, and 4.2b was really the best. -- Later, Jerry.
From: Tom Serface on 10 Mar 2010 12:38 I think this is really good news. It's not "cheap", but not as bad as having to pay the full price. Tom "David Ching" <dc(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> wrote in message news:OPGmwr8uKHA.1796(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > A while ago, we were bemoaning the loss of VS 2010 Standard, and the price > of VS 2008 Professional (presumably with a free upgrade to 2010) was > something like $1500 USD. > > Now there are new VS 2010 prices. > http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Microsoft-Offers-Deals-for-Visual-Studio-2010-Retail-Customers-550413/ > > Basically if you have VS 2005/2008 Standard, you can get VS2010 Standard > for $299. And even if you are totally new to VS, you can get VS2010 > Professional for $799 and upgrade for $549. And Professional now comes > with MSDN Essentials. So the prices are much cheaper than we had been led > to believe. > > -- David
From: Sheng Jiang [MVP] on 10 Mar 2010 17:39 Microsoft is decoupling Help System from Visual Studio 2010. The index files are still there just in a different format (http://helpware.net/mshelp3/intro.htm). I guess it takes no more than a window extension and some API calls to have an index pane integrate with visual studio. A dynamic help pane is more difficult. "Bo Persson" <bop(a)gmb.dk> wrote in message news:7vcrbfF12nU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Cmplx80 wrote: >> Ajay Kalra wrote: >>> On Mar 4, 1:45 pm, "David Ching" <d...(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> >>> wrote: >>>> A while ago, we were bemoaning the loss of VS 2010 Standard, and >>>> the price of VS 2008 Professional (presumably with a free upgrade to >>>> 2010) >>>> was something like $1500 USD. >>>> >>>> Now there are new VS 2010 >>>> prices.http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Microsoft-Offers-Dea... >>>> >>>> Basically if you have VS 2005/2008 Standard, you can get VS2010 >>>> Standard for $299. And even if you are totally new to VS, you >>>> can get VS2010 Professional for $799 and upgrade for $549. And >>>> Professional now >>>> comes with MSDN Essentials. So the prices are much cheaper than we had >>>> been >>>> led to believe. >>> >>> Comments about the product in this NG havent been that glorifying >>> though. I >>> >>> -- >>> Ajay >>> >>> >>> >> Biggest (VS2010 RC) complaint here is that the documentation/help >> system has been rendered 100% useless by moving it from an >> integrated function to a goofy and magnanimously dysfunctional >> browser-based scheme. No index, no filters (that I can find), new >> browser page tabs becoming lost in a sea of other browser page >> tabs, missing pieces, dot, dot, dot. How does this happen? Who is >> responsible for letting stuff like this hit the shipping dock? >> > > Fortunately Google has indexed the pages, so - just like before - you can > find the MSDN pages much faster than the local help info. > > > Bo Persson > >
From: Brian Muth on 10 Mar 2010 18:20
>> Sure.... But are you saying MFC has changed since VC6 ;-). >> > > MFC not so much, but the IDE has been modernized. Even if you prefer VC6, > using such an old product is no longer better. > Actually, there have been some substantial improvements to the MFC, particularly with the support of the ribbon. It also can support a windows framework that resembles Visual Studio 2010 itself, which is very cool. Also, the Class Wizard (which went AWOL from 2003 to 2008) is back. Not exactly sure if it has been enhanced, but VC6 users will be delighted to use it again. Also, there is a nice CTaskDialog class which is a very cool enhanced message box that is nice to have in my tool box. Brian |