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From: BillW50 on 1 Jul 2010 19:47 Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:24:48 -0400: > On 7/1/2010 1:37 PM, BillW50 wrote: >> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:18:42 -0400: >>> On 7/1/2010 11:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:27:23 -0400: >>>>> On 7/1/2010 7:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:20:59 -0400: >>>>>>> On 6/30/2010 8:35 PM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>>>>> Really Bob? Well I am a computer scientist since the 70's. And >>>>>>>> being a >>>>>>>> scientist, I don't buy your average BS! And if you believe you are >>>>>>>> right. Show me any evidence at all that Linux has ever broken 1% of >>>>>>>> favor with the masses. And if you can, you have some hope of >>>>>>>> convincing >>>>>>>> me of something. But if you can't, less than 1% of favor with the >>>>>>>> masses >>>>>>>> means nothing. And that is how it is Bob. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There has been many promising OS over the decades (and I followed >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> many times too). But if you can't make it with the masses, it >>>>>>>> becomes >>>>>>>> nothing. And Linux has been trying for 18 years now and it is still >>>>>>>> nothing. That is the truth and I can prove it all scientifically. >>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>> you are not interested in proof now, are you Bob? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whew! I had to put on my waders to read that response. Imagine! A >>>>>>> "computer scientist" in our midst! ... Ben Myers >>>>>> >>>>>> We can *always* count on you, Ben! To take an intellectual >>>>>> conversation >>>>>> and turn it into an ad hominem one. Can't we? >>>>>> >>>>>> And by chance Ben isn't just playing dumb this time... >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Yes scientists do use computers and some even use Dells too. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Yes scientists do use the Internet, just like anybody else does. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Yes in the early beginnings, the Internet was called ARPANET >>>>>> (Advanced Research Projects Agency NET). And computer scientists were >>>>>> its first users. So why shouldn't we be still here? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I could not help myself. I feel really humbled to be in the virtual >>>>> presence of a real computer scientist... Ben >>>> >>>> I don't know why? As the computer scientists I know (including myself), >>>> don't think it is any big deal. And I remember a computer magazine >>>> called .info (yes with the dot in front of it) had an article that >>>> talked about the computer scientists. That magazine called us "computer >>>> elite gods"... Anyway some wanted to give the power of computers to the >>>> masses (me included). While another side wanted to keep it out of the >>>> hands of the common people and keep the power of computers to >>>> themselves. Well you know the end of that story. ;-) >>>> >>> >>> That's it! It's the virtual presence of an elite god in a virtual >>> white lab coat that is absolutely jaw-dropping for me. I remain in awe >>> at your virtual presence! ... Ben >> >> It is always nice to know we can always depend on you for the ad hominem >> side of any issue, Ben. >> > > Same as we can all depend on a lot of hot air in your posts. If there > was far less hot air and more down and dirty factual information, this > would be good... Ben I sure don't know why you prefer to BS your way through all of this. But the Apollo project used one of the first IC based computers called the AGC. And no that computer glitch that Armstrong had wasn't my fault on the first lunar landing, I swear! And that same computer was quickly adopted by the the military for fighter jets. And I was contracted by Honeywell and Westinghouse and hired as a rocket and computer scientist. And Honeywell renamed the AGC to the VTAS computer. And both the Westinghouse and Honeywell computers were interfaced to communicate to guided missiles to guide them on their way by radar (this was before GPS). And that is what my job was. And yes, white lab coats and the whole bit. And that is how I got my start into my career. And yes, we were using ARPANET (aka the Internet) back then too. -- Bill 2 Asus EEE PC 7014G ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC 2 Asus EEE PC 7028G ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2/SP3 ~ Xandros Linux
From: Ben Myers on 1 Jul 2010 19:50 On 7/1/2010 7:47 PM, BillW50 wrote: > Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:24:48 -0400: >> On 7/1/2010 1:37 PM, BillW50 wrote: >>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:18:42 -0400: >>>> On 7/1/2010 11:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:27:23 -0400: >>>>>> On 7/1/2010 7:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>>>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:20:59 -0400: >>>>>>>> On 6/30/2010 8:35 PM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>>>>>> Really Bob? Well I am a computer scientist since the 70's. And >>>>>>>>> being a >>>>>>>>> scientist, I don't buy your average BS! And if you believe you are >>>>>>>>> right. Show me any evidence at all that Linux has ever broken >>>>>>>>> 1% of >>>>>>>>> favor with the masses. And if you can, you have some hope of >>>>>>>>> convincing >>>>>>>>> me of something. But if you can't, less than 1% of favor with the >>>>>>>>> masses >>>>>>>>> means nothing. And that is how it is Bob. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There has been many promising OS over the decades (and I followed >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> many times too). But if you can't make it with the masses, it >>>>>>>>> becomes >>>>>>>>> nothing. And Linux has been trying for 18 years now and it is >>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>> nothing. That is the truth and I can prove it all scientifically. >>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>> you are not interested in proof now, are you Bob? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Whew! I had to put on my waders to read that response. Imagine! A >>>>>>>> "computer scientist" in our midst! ... Ben Myers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can *always* count on you, Ben! To take an intellectual >>>>>>> conversation >>>>>>> and turn it into an ad hominem one. Can't we? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And by chance Ben isn't just playing dumb this time... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Yes scientists do use computers and some even use Dells too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) Yes scientists do use the Internet, just like anybody else does. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) Yes in the early beginnings, the Internet was called ARPANET >>>>>>> (Advanced Research Projects Agency NET). And computer scientists >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> its first users. So why shouldn't we be still here? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I could not help myself. I feel really humbled to be in the virtual >>>>>> presence of a real computer scientist... Ben >>>>> >>>>> I don't know why? As the computer scientists I know (including >>>>> myself), >>>>> don't think it is any big deal. And I remember a computer magazine >>>>> called .info (yes with the dot in front of it) had an article that >>>>> talked about the computer scientists. That magazine called us >>>>> "computer >>>>> elite gods"... Anyway some wanted to give the power of computers to >>>>> the >>>>> masses (me included). While another side wanted to keep it out of the >>>>> hands of the common people and keep the power of computers to >>>>> themselves. Well you know the end of that story. ;-) >>>>> >>>> >>>> That's it! It's the virtual presence of an elite god in a virtual >>>> white lab coat that is absolutely jaw-dropping for me. I remain in awe >>>> at your virtual presence! ... Ben >>> >>> It is always nice to know we can always depend on you for the ad hominem >>> side of any issue, Ben. >>> >> >> Same as we can all depend on a lot of hot air in your posts. If there >> was far less hot air and more down and dirty factual information, this >> would be good... Ben > > I sure don't know why you prefer to BS your way through all of this. But > the Apollo project used one of the first IC based computers called the > AGC. And no that computer glitch that Armstrong had wasn't my fault on > the first lunar landing, I swear! > > And that same computer was quickly adopted by the the military for > fighter jets. And I was contracted by Honeywell and Westinghouse and > hired as a rocket and computer scientist. And Honeywell renamed the AGC > to the VTAS computer. And both the Westinghouse and Honeywell computers > were interfaced to communicate to guided missiles to guide them on their > way by radar (this was before GPS). And that is what my job was. And > yes, white lab coats and the whole bit. And that is how I got my start > into my career. And yes, we were using ARPANET (aka the Internet) back > then too. > So???
From: BillW50 on 1 Jul 2010 20:10 Ben Myers wrote: > On 7/1/2010 7:47 PM, BillW50 wrote: >> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:24:48 -0400: >>> On 7/1/2010 1:37 PM, BillW50 wrote: >>>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:18:42 -0400: >>>>> On 7/1/2010 11:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:27:23 -0400: >>>>>>> On 7/1/2010 7:37 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>>>>> Ben Myers wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:20:59 -0400: >>>>>>>>> On 6/30/2010 8:35 PM, BillW50 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Really Bob? Well I am a computer scientist since the 70's. And >>>>>>>>>> being a >>>>>>>>>> scientist, I don't buy your average BS! And if you believe you >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> right. Show me any evidence at all that Linux has ever broken >>>>>>>>>> 1% of >>>>>>>>>> favor with the masses. And if you can, you have some hope of >>>>>>>>>> convincing >>>>>>>>>> me of something. But if you can't, less than 1% of favor with the >>>>>>>>>> masses >>>>>>>>>> means nothing. And that is how it is Bob. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There has been many promising OS over the decades (and I followed >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> many times too). But if you can't make it with the masses, it >>>>>>>>>> becomes >>>>>>>>>> nothing. And Linux has been trying for 18 years now and it is >>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>> nothing. That is the truth and I can prove it all scientifically. >>>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>>> you are not interested in proof now, are you Bob? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Whew! I had to put on my waders to read that response. Imagine! A >>>>>>>>> "computer scientist" in our midst! ... Ben Myers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We can *always* count on you, Ben! To take an intellectual >>>>>>>> conversation >>>>>>>> and turn it into an ad hominem one. Can't we? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And by chance Ben isn't just playing dumb this time... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) Yes scientists do use computers and some even use Dells too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) Yes scientists do use the Internet, just like anybody else does. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) Yes in the early beginnings, the Internet was called ARPANET >>>>>>>> (Advanced Research Projects Agency NET). And computer scientists >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> its first users. So why shouldn't we be still here? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could not help myself. I feel really humbled to be in the virtual >>>>>>> presence of a real computer scientist... Ben >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know why? As the computer scientists I know (including >>>>>> myself), >>>>>> don't think it is any big deal. And I remember a computer magazine >>>>>> called .info (yes with the dot in front of it) had an article that >>>>>> talked about the computer scientists. That magazine called us >>>>>> "computer >>>>>> elite gods"... Anyway some wanted to give the power of computers to >>>>>> the >>>>>> masses (me included). While another side wanted to keep it out of the >>>>>> hands of the common people and keep the power of computers to >>>>>> themselves. Well you know the end of that story. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's it! It's the virtual presence of an elite god in a virtual >>>>> white lab coat that is absolutely jaw-dropping for me. I remain in awe >>>>> at your virtual presence! ... Ben >>>> >>>> It is always nice to know we can always depend on you for the ad >>>> hominem >>>> side of any issue, Ben. >>>> >>> >>> Same as we can all depend on a lot of hot air in your posts. If there >>> was far less hot air and more down and dirty factual information, this >>> would be good... Ben >> >> I sure don't know why you prefer to BS your way through all of this. But >> the Apollo project used one of the first IC based computers called the >> AGC. And no that computer glitch that Armstrong had wasn't my fault on >> the first lunar landing, I swear! >> >> And that same computer was quickly adopted by the the military for >> fighter jets. And I was contracted by Honeywell and Westinghouse and >> hired as a rocket and computer scientist. And Honeywell renamed the AGC >> to the VTAS computer. And both the Westinghouse and Honeywell computers >> were interfaced to communicate to guided missiles to guide them on their >> way by radar (this was before GPS). And that is what my job was. And >> yes, white lab coats and the whole bit. And that is how I got my start >> into my career. And yes, we were using ARPANET (aka the Internet) back >> then too. >> > > So??? So you ask? Who is the one full of hot air here Ben? Btw, I guess I didn't make myself clear before. But I hated .info magazine calling us "computer elite gods". As I wanted no part of that. -- Bill 2 Asus EEE PC 7014G ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC 2 Asus EEE PC 7028G ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2/SP3 ~ Xandros Linux
From: BillW50 on 1 Jul 2010 21:18
Nate Nagel wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:24:57 -0400: > On 07/01/2010 07:19 PM, Nate Nagel wrote: >> On 07/01/2010 07:05 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>> Nate Nagel wrote on Thu, 01 Jul 2010 00:10:31 -0400: >>>> On 06/30/2010 08:38 AM, BillW50 wrote: >>>> >>>>> And take any distro of Linux and run it on one of these. Throw an >>>>> external 1440x900 monitor on and open up some multimedia video playing >>>>> full screen. And you see that Linux is showing you one frame per 5 >>>>> seconds. That is 1/5 of a frame per second. That is just awful! >>>> >>>> It would be awful if that was what happened. I can't speak for >>>> 1440x900, but at 1920x1080 I'm not noticing anything like that. >>>> >>>> nate >>> >>> I take the scientific approach, Nate. If we get different results, I >>> believe it should be investigated to learn why? So let's start with what >>> kind of system are you getting this amazing Linux performance? And what >>> Linux distro are you using and the version number? And are you using the >>> stock player or another one? >>> >> >> Ubuntu 10.04, VLC, PowerSpec G207 >> > > Forgot to mention, that just happens to be what I'm using now. Also no > problem with 10.04/VLC on a Precision M90 or Studio 1555. Retired my > old Gateway something-or-other laptop which was running 9.10 and that > worked as well. Precision M90 also had 9.04 on it prior to the release > of 10.04 with no problems. Geez Nate! A PowerSpec G207? What the hell happened? Couldn't find a more powerful computer at the time? Hell you are burning 500 watts and I am here burning a cool 10 watts on a Celeron 900MHz underclocked to 633MHz with only 2GB of RAM on a 400MHz front bus. Linux can't (so far) pull off multimedia on such a system like this one (which is like most netbooks so far). Strangely enough, Windows XP can on such a system even at 1440x900 with some CPU usage to spare. Are you seeing the difference here? You *can* pull off multimedia with Linux if you throw enough power at it. But why? When you can get by with far less and run Windows XP instead. See what I am saying here Nate? As I have to replace all eight of my computers here with far more powerful computers just to get the same performance I had with Windows XP and to be able to do less than I was doing under Windows XP. I dunno Nate, that doesn't sound like a good deal to me. -- Bill 2 Asus EEE PC 7014G ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC 2 Asus EEE PC 7028G ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2/SP3 ~ Xandros Linux |