Will PHP ever "grow up" and have threading?
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From: Rene Veerman on 24 Mar 2010 04:31 so your systems represent all the software problems out there in the world? or your experience does? hard to believe. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Lester Caine <lester(a)lsces.co.uk> wrote: > Rene Veerman wrote: >> >> jeez dude, you're assuming that all software problems are best solved >> by a sql solution. >> imo, they're NOT. example? any realtime system with real work to do. >> >> please stop pretending you know the proper design of all software that >> is made or yet has to be made. >> both a ya. > > I run real time systems for offices that count serving time in seconds. I > know currently where the bottlenecks are, and adding 'threading' to PHP is > not a solution. I fact adding much of the dross that has been added to PHP5 > is ACTUALLY slowing down performance. I have PHP5.3 and PHP5.2 running on > similarly loaded sites, and PHP5.2 is faster! I am just pointing out that on > *MY* REAL applications, the SQL element is a major part of the processing > time, and yes moving some of the table lookups to be hard coded arrays in > PHP would make a difference, but then complicates configurability, so > keeping them in the database makes life easier. > > The proper design is the one that meets the customers requirements and gets > the bills paid. Processing the raw statistics required for my own sites is > best done away from PHP, so using the right tools for the job is the > important thing? > > -- > Lester Caine - G8HFL > ----------------------------- > Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact > L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk > EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ > Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// > Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
From: Per Jessen on 24 Mar 2010 04:36 Rene Veerman wrote: > yes you are bashing them (me included) imo >=20 > you say threading support doesnt belong in php; with that you're > determining what i may and may not do, even if i have given you good > reasons for it, that you chose to ignore. Well, call it what you like, I think I'm being perfectly civil.=20 By advocating that thread support does not belong in PHP, I am in no wa= y determining what you (or anyone else) may or may not do. You are a free individual and free to choose the programming language and paradigm that is best suited to your purposes.=20 Using your argument, one could also say that Kernighan and Ritchie determined that "C should have no threading", just as the US DoD was incredibly foresighted and decided we all should go multi-threaded when= they gave Ada its tasks and rendezvous.=20 --=20 Per Jessen, Z=C3=BCrich (9.0=C2=B0C)
From: Ashley Sheridan on 24 Mar 2010 04:30 On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 10:28 +0200, Rene Veerman wrote: > funny how i've been topposting for over a year here and the complaints > start when i tell some people not to butt into my business and choice > of tools. > > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Ashley Sheridan > <ash(a)ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 10:07 +0200, Rene Veerman wrote: > > > > and i like top-posting. a lot. > > > > > > Rene, please do stop posting. It is in the mailing list rules > that you should bottom post. > > There is a reason for it. It helps with readability if > everyone conforms to the same practice, and the mailing > archives online are easier to digest also. > > i find 'm easier to digest with topposting. > > > Thanks, > Ash > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk > > > > > What you're actually saying is you find them easier to digest with both top AND bottom posting, because the majority of the list bottom posts as according to the rules, and you flaunt it deliberately for some reason. You're asking people on the list to not make assumptions about your applications and your 'need' for threading, and then blatantly ignore the rules on posting assuming that because you find a mix of top and bottom posting 'easier' to read, then so too will others. I'm not suddenly bringing this into focus now because you've asked people not to 'butt in' but because of the rude way you responded to Per Jessen about top-posting. I'm just asking that please, for the sake of clarity and readability, you bottom post to the list. If everyone does the same thing, it makes it a lot easier. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
From: Ashley Sheridan on 24 Mar 2010 04:11 On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 10:07 +0200, Rene Veerman wrote: > > and i like top-posting. a lot. Rene, please do stop posting. It is in the mailing list rules that you should bottom post. There is a reason for it. It helps with readability if everyone conforms to the same practice, and the mailing archives online are easier to digest also. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
From: Rene Veerman on 24 Mar 2010 04:41
talk to me about this some other time. atm i'm having an argument with per and his kind about their very very annoying behaviour of determining my toolset for me. keeping a thread on topic is also ettiquette from the mailinglist rules eh? you might wanna consider just how much it pisses me off to have strangers determining my toolset and/or lifestyle for me. that's why i got rude. no other reason. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Ashley Sheridan <ash(a)ashleysheridan.co.uk>wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 10:28 +0200, Rene Veerman wrote: > > funny how i've been topposting for over a year here and the complaints > start when i tell some people not to butt into my business and choice of > tools. > > > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Ashley Sheridan < > ash(a)ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 10:07 +0200, Rene Veerman wrote: > > and i like top-posting. a lot. > > > > > Rene, please do stop posting. It is in the mailing list rules that you > should bottom post. > > There is a reason for it. It helps with readability if everyone conforms to > the same practice, and the mailing archives online are easier to digest > also. > > > > i find 'm easier to digest with topposting. > > > > Thanks, > Ash > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk > > > > > > What you're actually saying is you find them easier to digest with both top > AND bottom posting, because the majority of the list bottom posts as > according to the rules, and you flaunt it deliberately for some reason. > You're asking people on the list to not make assumptions about your > applications and your 'need' for threading, and then blatantly ignore the > rules on posting assuming that because you find a mix of top and bottom > posting 'easier' to read, then so too will others. > > I'm not suddenly bringing this into focus now because you've asked people > not to 'butt in' but because of the rude way you responded to Per Jessen > about top-posting. I'm just asking that please, for the sake of clarity and > readability, you bottom post to the list. If everyone does the same thing, > it makes it a lot easier. > > > Thanks, > Ash > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk > > > |