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From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 30 Jul 2010 19:22 "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message news:O8T7h%23CMLHA.5668(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > news:exOvtl3LLHA.3732(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message >> news:evsOwj3LLHA.3496(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "mp" <nospam(a)thanks.com> wrote in message >>> news:i2sq3h$94i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "Al Dunbar" <alandrub(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:uattQ%23qLLHA.6128(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:i2p0sh$hq0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> "KMS" <mohan.kammili(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:875f76de-214a-48ca-812e-d2cb2969f2cf(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Jul 28, 12:27 am, "Al Dunbar" <aland...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> "mp" <nos...(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> news:i2lqec$eir$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > i've heard of having a login script run to compare server copy to >>>>>>> > local >>>>>>> > copy dates(of a file) >>>>>>> > i've written a vbs file i thnk is more or less correct :-) how do >>>>>>> > i get >>>>>>> > that to run on login? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are a couple of ways of doing that (see below), but the choice >>>>>>> depends >>>>>>> on a number of things you have not told us about your environment: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - put a shortcut to your script in the all users startup folder >>>>>>> - create a logon script local to the computer(s) >>>>>>> - place it in the netlogon share on a domain controller, and update >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> accounts to reference it >>>>>>> - define a logon script using group policy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /Al >>>>>> >>>>>> I personally recommend going with login script through Group policy >>>>>> if >>>>>> possible since that gives more control in many occasions. However it >>>>>> depends on ur exact requirement. Also lets know more about the >>>>>> requirement so that can assess modifications to ur script to act as >>>>>> login script >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Al and KMS, >>>>>> sadly i'm not an IT guy so know little about Groups/networking etc. I >>>>>> do programming in autocad and vb6 and some dotnet but have always >>>>>> been weak in general windows knowlege. >>>>>> I think we're in workgroups. I've been told the server is sql server. >>>>>> Most of the boxes are xp, one is win7. >>>>> >>>>> Could be a workgroup or a domain. Can you logon to two different XP >>>>> computers using the same account and password? if you change your >>>>> password while logged on at one XP system, does this new password get >>>>> you in on the other? If you answer Yes to both questions, you are >>>>> likely in a domain environment. If No, more likely a workgroup >>>>> environment, but it could still be. >>>>> >>>>> To find out for sure, right-click on the "my computer" icon, select >>>>> "properties", then click on the "Computer Name" tab. >>>>> >>>>> domain ==> allows for all of my suggestions >>>>> workgroup ==> only the first two would be possible. >>>>> >>>>>> I may end up putting this in the autocad environment so when acad >>>>>> starts up the filecomparison/copy is done. but for my knowlege i'd >>>>>> like to know the best way to do it at windows logon as well. >>>>> >>>>> If this would work, and if the file operations are only required for >>>>> autocad use, this might be the best approach. It might mean running >>>>> the scripts more often, which could be a nuisance if they make you >>>>> wait. But if the server files might be updated between autocad >>>>> sessions, running at logon might not get you the most up to date >>>>> information. >>>>> >>>>> Regardless, if the files being compared are "in use" at the time, this >>>>> might render the result of the comparisons invalid. If the files are >>>>> "used" by Autocad, then it seems likely this would be a problem, and >>>>> you'd have to run them before starting autocad. Worse yet, if you >>>>> adapt your script to actually update files that are out of date, this >>>>> will further require the appropriate level of permissions. >>>>> >>>>> In terms of "the best way to do something at windows logon", I agree >>>>> with KMS that the group policy approach is the "best of breed" in many >>>>> ways. But, of course, this requires a domain environment. But even if >>>>> you have such an environment and are not already running logon scripts >>>>> it might just be too much work with too much risk associated to >>>>> develop Group Policy just to support a single application and/or user >>>>> when a simpler approach works OK. >>>>> >>>>>> can you explain how to "login script through Group policy " >>>>> >>>>> If you do not have the IT knowledge to manage Group Policy, create >>>>> logon scripts on the domain controller, configure accounts to run >>>>> logon scripts, then it is likely that you do not have the privileges >>>>> required to do so. Not only that, but it would be highly unfortunate >>>>> if you did. >>>>> >>>>>> re: al's option 1 above (put in all users startup) - >>>>>> i thought that meant a folder under C:\Documents and Settings\All >>>>>> Users called startup but i don't see one on this laptop? Do I just >>>>>> create a folder named Startup under AllUsers and whatever shortcuts >>>>>> are in there will run? >>>>> >>>>> Assuming a standard XP installation, the shortcuts could go here: >>>>> >>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup >>>>> >>>>> to affect all users. This would require administrator privileges on >>>>> the workstation. To have them run only for you, you could put them >>>>> here: >>>>> >>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\mark\Start Menu\Programs\Startup >>>>> >>>>>> thanks for your help and sorry for my ignorance. >>>>> >>>>> You're welcome, and no need to apologize; we are all ignorant of >>>>> things we haven't learned yet. It would have been a problem had you >>>>> not recognized and admitted your own lack of knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> As an aside, and assuming that the file comparison needs to be done >>>>> before each autocad session, you could modify your script to start >>>>> autocad after doing the file comparisons. You would then just have to >>>>> remember to start autocad by running that script instead of running it >>>>> directly. >>>>> >>>>> /Al >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Thanks for all your info. Looks like it is a domain, and further that I >>>> have no interest in getting into that level of things (due to my lack >>>> of knowlege). The acad approach will be ideal on further >>>> consideration, but I appreciate the education. >>>> Thanks >>>> mark >>> >>> >>> Dear Mark, >>> It's cool that you are copying local files. But i'm currius. Did you >>> type those on MS-DOS-Prompt? And by the way, you are welcome for my >>> info. >>> >>> From, >>> Kenny >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 30 Jul 2010 19:26 "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message news:ebHoU4DMLHA.5860(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message > news:O8T7h%23CMLHA.5668(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:exOvtl3LLHA.3732(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message >>> news:evsOwj3LLHA.3496(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "mp" <nospam(a)thanks.com> wrote in message >>>> news:i2sq3h$94i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> "Al Dunbar" <alandrub(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:uattQ%23qLLHA.6128(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i2p0sh$hq0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "KMS" <mohan.kammili(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:875f76de-214a-48ca-812e-d2cb2969f2cf(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> On Jul 28, 12:27 am, "Al Dunbar" <aland...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "mp" <nos...(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> news:i2lqec$eir$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > i've heard of having a login script run to compare server copy to >>>>>>>> > local >>>>>>>> > copy dates(of a file) >>>>>>>> > i've written a vbs file i thnk is more or less correct :-) how do >>>>>>>> > i get >>>>>>>> > that to run on login? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are a couple of ways of doing that (see below), but the >>>>>>>> choice depends >>>>>>>> on a number of things you have not told us about your environment: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - put a shortcut to your script in the all users startup folder >>>>>>>> - create a logon script local to the computer(s) >>>>>>>> - place it in the netlogon share on a domain controller, and update >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> accounts to reference it >>>>>>>> - define a logon script using group policy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /Al >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I personally recommend going with login script through Group policy >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> possible since that gives more control in many occasions. However it >>>>>>> depends on ur exact requirement. Also lets know more about the >>>>>>> requirement so that can assess modifications to ur script to act as >>>>>>> login script >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Al and KMS, >>>>>>> sadly i'm not an IT guy so know little about Groups/networking etc. >>>>>>> I do programming in autocad and vb6 and some dotnet but have always >>>>>>> been weak in general windows knowlege. >>>>>>> I think we're in workgroups. I've been told the server is sql >>>>>>> server. >>>>>>> Most of the boxes are xp, one is win7. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could be a workgroup or a domain. Can you logon to two different XP >>>>>> computers using the same account and password? if you change your >>>>>> password while logged on at one XP system, does this new password get >>>>>> you in on the other? If you answer Yes to both questions, you are >>>>>> likely in a domain environment. If No, more likely a workgroup >>>>>> environment, but it could still be. >>>>>> >>>>>> To find out for sure, right-click on the "my computer" icon, select >>>>>> "properties", then click on the "Computer Name" tab. >>>>>> >>>>>> domain ==> allows for all of my suggestions >>>>>> workgroup ==> only the first two would be possible. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I may end up putting this in the autocad environment so when acad >>>>>>> starts up the filecomparison/copy is done. but for my knowlege i'd >>>>>>> like to know the best way to do it at windows logon as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> If this would work, and if the file operations are only required for >>>>>> autocad use, this might be the best approach. It might mean running >>>>>> the scripts more often, which could be a nuisance if they make you >>>>>> wait. But if the server files might be updated between autocad >>>>>> sessions, running at logon might not get you the most up to date >>>>>> information. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regardless, if the files being compared are "in use" at the time, >>>>>> this might render the result of the comparisons invalid. If the files >>>>>> are "used" by Autocad, then it seems likely this would be a problem, >>>>>> and you'd have to run them before starting autocad. Worse yet, if you >>>>>> adapt your script to actually update files that are out of date, this >>>>>> will further require the appropriate level of permissions. >>>>>> >>>>>> In terms of "the best way to do something at windows logon", I agree >>>>>> with KMS that the group policy approach is the "best of breed" in >>>>>> many ways. But, of course, this requires a domain environment. But >>>>>> even if you have such an environment and are not already running >>>>>> logon scripts it might just be too much work with too much risk >>>>>> associated to develop Group Policy just to support a single >>>>>> application and/or user when a simpler approach works OK. >>>>>> >>>>>>> can you explain how to "login script through Group policy " >>>>>> >>>>>> If you do not have the IT knowledge to manage Group Policy, create >>>>>> logon scripts on the domain controller, configure accounts to run >>>>>> logon scripts, then it is likely that you do not have the privileges >>>>>> required to do so. Not only that, but it would be highly unfortunate >>>>>> if you did. >>>>>> >>>>>>> re: al's option 1 above (put in all users startup) - >>>>>>> i thought that meant a folder under C:\Documents and Settings\All >>>>>>> Users called startup but i don't see one on this laptop? Do I just >>>>>>> create a folder named Startup under AllUsers and whatever shortcuts >>>>>>> are in there will run? >>>>>> >>>>>> Assuming a standard XP installation, the shortcuts could go here: >>>>>> >>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup >>>>>> >>>>>> to affect all users. This would require administrator privileges on >>>>>> the workstation. To have them run only for you, you could put them >>>>>> here: >>>>>> >>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\mark\Start Menu\Programs\Startup >>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks for your help and sorry for my ignorance. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're welcome, and no need to apologize; we are all ignorant of >>>>>> things we haven't learned yet. It would have been a problem had you >>>>>> not recognized and admitted your own lack of knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> As an aside, and assuming that the file comparison needs to be done >>>>>> before each autocad session, you could modify your script to start >>>>>> autocad after doing the file comparisons. You would then just have to >>>>>> remember to start autocad by running that script instead of running >>>>>> it directly. >>>>>> >>>>>> /Al >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all your info. Looks like it is a domain, and further that >>>>> I have no interest in getting into that level of things (due to my >>>>> lack of knowlege). The acad approach will be ideal on further >>>>> consideration, but I appreciate the education. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> mark >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Mark, >>>> It's cool that you are copying local files. But i'm currius. Did you >>>> type those on MS-DOS-Prompt? And by the way, you are welcome for my >>>> info. >>>> >>>> From, >>>> Kenny >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: mp on 31 Jul 2010 02:06 "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:eVXzu6DMLHA.1856(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message > news:ebHoU4DMLHA.5860(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message >> news:O8T7h%23CMLHA.5668(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >>> news:exOvtl3LLHA.3732(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message >>>> news:evsOwj3LLHA.3496(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)thanks.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:i2sq3h$94i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> "Al Dunbar" <alandrub(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:uattQ%23qLLHA.6128(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i2p0sh$hq0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "KMS" <mohan.kammili(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:875f76de-214a-48ca-812e-d2cb2969f2cf(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 12:27 am, "Al Dunbar" <aland...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> "mp" <nos...(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> news:i2lqec$eir$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > i've heard of having a login script run to compare server copy >>>>>>>>> > to local >>>>>>>>> > copy dates(of a file) >>>>>>>>> > i've written a vbs file i thnk is more or less correct :-) how >>>>>>>>> > do i get >>>>>>>>> > that to run on login? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are a couple of ways of doing that (see below), but the >>>>>>>>> choice depends >>>>>>>>> on a number of things you have not told us about your environment: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - put a shortcut to your script in the all users startup folder >>>>>>>>> - create a logon script local to the computer(s) >>>>>>>>> - place it in the netlogon share on a domain controller, and >>>>>>>>> update all >>>>>>>>> accounts to reference it >>>>>>>>> - define a logon script using group policy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /Al >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I personally recommend going with login script through Group policy >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> possible since that gives more control in many occasions. However >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> depends on ur exact requirement. Also lets know more about the >>>>>>>> requirement so that can assess modifications to ur script to act as >>>>>>>> login script >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Al and KMS, >>>>>>>> sadly i'm not an IT guy so know little about Groups/networking etc. >>>>>>>> I do programming in autocad and vb6 and some dotnet but have always >>>>>>>> been weak in general windows knowlege. >>>>>>>> I think we're in workgroups. I've been told the server is sql >>>>>>>> server. >>>>>>>> Most of the boxes are xp, one is win7. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could be a workgroup or a domain. Can you logon to two different XP >>>>>>> computers using the same account and password? if you change your >>>>>>> password while logged on at one XP system, does this new password >>>>>>> get you in on the other? If you answer Yes to both questions, you >>>>>>> are likely in a domain environment. If No, more likely a workgroup >>>>>>> environment, but it could still be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To find out for sure, right-click on the "my computer" icon, select >>>>>>> "properties", then click on the "Computer Name" tab. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> domain ==> allows for all of my suggestions >>>>>>> workgroup ==> only the first two would be possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I may end up putting this in the autocad environment so when acad >>>>>>>> starts up the filecomparison/copy is done. but for my knowlege i'd >>>>>>>> like to know the best way to do it at windows logon as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If this would work, and if the file operations are only required for >>>>>>> autocad use, this might be the best approach. It might mean running >>>>>>> the scripts more often, which could be a nuisance if they make you >>>>>>> wait. But if the server files might be updated between autocad >>>>>>> sessions, running at logon might not get you the most up to date >>>>>>> information. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regardless, if the files being compared are "in use" at the time, >>>>>>> this might render the result of the comparisons invalid. If the >>>>>>> files are "used" by Autocad, then it seems likely this would be a >>>>>>> problem, and you'd have to run them before starting autocad. Worse >>>>>>> yet, if you adapt your script to actually update files that are out >>>>>>> of date, this will further require the appropriate level of >>>>>>> permissions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In terms of "the best way to do something at windows logon", I agree >>>>>>> with KMS that the group policy approach is the "best of breed" in >>>>>>> many ways. But, of course, this requires a domain environment. But >>>>>>> even if you have such an environment and are not already running >>>>>>> logon scripts it might just be too much work with too much risk >>>>>>> associated to develop Group Policy just to support a single >>>>>>> application and/or user when a simpler approach works OK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> can you explain how to "login script through Group policy " >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you do not have the IT knowledge to manage Group Policy, create >>>>>>> logon scripts on the domain controller, configure accounts to run >>>>>>> logon scripts, then it is likely that you do not have the privileges >>>>>>> required to do so. Not only that, but it would be highly unfortunate >>>>>>> if you did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> re: al's option 1 above (put in all users startup) - >>>>>>>> i thought that meant a folder under C:\Documents and Settings\All >>>>>>>> Users called startup but i don't see one on this laptop? Do I just >>>>>>>> create a folder named Startup under AllUsers and whatever shortcuts >>>>>>>> are in there will run? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Assuming a standard XP installation, the shortcuts could go here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to affect all users. This would require administrator privileges on >>>>>>> the workstation. To have them run only for you, you could put them >>>>>>> here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\mark\Start Menu\Programs\Startup >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks for your help and sorry for my ignorance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're welcome, and no need to apologize; we are all ignorant of >>>>>>> things we haven't learned yet. It would have been a problem had you >>>>>>> not recognized and admitted your own lack of knowledge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As an aside, and assuming that the file comparison needs to be done >>>>>>> before each autocad session, you could modify your script to start >>>>>>> autocad after doing the file comparisons. You would then just have >>>>>>> to remember to start autocad by running that script instead of >>>>>>> running it directly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /Al >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for all your info. Looks like it is a domain, and further that >>>>>> I have no interest in getting into that level of things (due to my >>>>>> lack of knowlege). The acad approach will be ideal on further >>>>>> consideration, but I appreciate the education. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Mark, >>>>> It's cool that you are copying local files. But i'm currius. Did you >>>>> type those on MS-DOS-Prompt? And by the way, you are welcome for my >>>>> info. >>>>> >>>>> From, >>>>> Kenny >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > wow, i guess you really are curious! :-) sorry I haven't replied till now, been busy. no I didn't type those on ms-dos prompt. why do you ask? I wrote a vbscript that would have been run on startup, but have decided to go the acad route. and by the way, which info am I welcome for? mark
From: Todd Vargo on 31 Jul 2010 12:54 mp wrote: > > "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> reposted entire thread several > times with adding anything intelligent: .... > wow, i guess you really are curious! :-) sorry I haven't replied till now, > been busy. no I didn't type those on ms-dos prompt. why do you ask? I > wrote a vbscript that would have been run on startup, but have decided to > go the acad route. > and by the way, which info am I welcome for? Add him to your TWIT filter and you wont be annoyed by his adolescent antics.
From: mp on 31 Jul 2010 13:48 "Todd Vargo" <tlvargo(a)sbcglobal.netz> wrote in message news:uubJGFNMLHA.2100(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > mp wrote: >> >> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> reposted entire thread several >> times with adding anything intelligent: > ... > >> wow, i guess you really are curious! :-) sorry I haven't replied till >> now, been busy. no I didn't type those on ms-dos prompt. why do you ask? >> I wrote a vbscript that would have been run on startup, but have decided >> to go the acad route. >> and by the way, which info am I welcome for? > > Add him to your TWIT filter and you wont be annoyed by his adolescent > antics. it did make me wonder :-)
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