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From: Dr J R Stockton on 1 Aug 2010 18:07
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NGP05.phx.gbl>, Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:48:47, Kenneth A. Larsen
<LarsenK(a)verizon.net> posted:

>... ... ... ... ... ... ...

When you have found out how News should be used, you might be deplonked,
if there were any way of finding out.

*plonk*.

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From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 3 Aug 2010 09:19

"Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:eVXzu6DMLHA.1856(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
>> news:ebHoU4DMLHA.5860(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
>>> news:O8T7h%23CMLHA.5668(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:exOvtl3LLHA.3732(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:evsOwj3LLHA.3496(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:i2sq3h$94i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Al Dunbar" <alandrub(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uattQ%23qLLHA.6128(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:i2p0sh$hq0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "KMS" <mohan.kammili(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:875f76de-214a-48ca-812e-d2cb2969f2cf(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 12:27 am, "Al Dunbar" <aland...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "mp" <nos...(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> news:i2lqec$eir$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > i've heard of having a login script run to compare server copy
>>>>>>>>>> > to local
>>>>>>>>>> > copy dates(of a file)
>>>>>>>>>> > i've written a vbs file i thnk is more or less correct :-) how
>>>>>>>>>> > do i get
>>>>>>>>>> > that to run on login?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are a couple of ways of doing that (see below), but the
>>>>>>>>>> choice depends
>>>>>>>>>> on a number of things you have not told us about your
>>>>>>>>>> environment:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - put a shortcut to your script in the all users startup folder
>>>>>>>>>> - create a logon script local to the computer(s)
>>>>>>>>>> - place it in the netlogon share on a domain controller, and
>>>>>>>>>> update all
>>>>>>>>>> accounts to reference it
>>>>>>>>>> - define a logon script using group policy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /Al
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I personally recommend going with login script through Group
>>>>>>>>> policy if
>>>>>>>>> possible since that gives more control in many occasions. However
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> depends on ur exact requirement. Also lets know more about the
>>>>>>>>> requirement so that can assess modifications to ur script to act
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> login script
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Al and KMS,
>>>>>>>>> sadly i'm not an IT guy so know little about Groups/networking
>>>>>>>>> etc. I do programming in autocad and vb6 and some dotnet but have
>>>>>>>>> always been weak in general windows knowlege.
>>>>>>>>> I think we're in workgroups. I've been told the server is sql
>>>>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>>>> Most of the boxes are xp, one is win7.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could be a workgroup or a domain. Can you logon to two different XP
>>>>>>>> computers using the same account and password? if you change your
>>>>>>>> password while logged on at one XP system, does this new password
>>>>>>>> get you in on the other? If you answer Yes to both questions, you
>>>>>>>> are likely in a domain environment. If No, more likely a workgroup
>>>>>>>> environment, but it could still be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To find out for sure, right-click on the "my computer" icon, select
>>>>>>>> "properties", then click on the "Computer Name" tab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> domain ==> allows for all of my suggestions
>>>>>>>> workgroup ==> only the first two would be possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I may end up putting this in the autocad environment so when acad
>>>>>>>>> starts up the filecomparison/copy is done. but for my knowlege
>>>>>>>>> i'd like to know the best way to do it at windows logon as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If this would work, and if the file operations are only required
>>>>>>>> for autocad use, this might be the best approach. It might mean
>>>>>>>> running the scripts more often, which could be a nuisance if they
>>>>>>>> make you wait. But if the server files might be updated between
>>>>>>>> autocad sessions, running at logon might not get you the most up to
>>>>>>>> date information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regardless, if the files being compared are "in use" at the time,
>>>>>>>> this might render the result of the comparisons invalid. If the
>>>>>>>> files are "used" by Autocad, then it seems likely this would be a
>>>>>>>> problem, and you'd have to run them before starting autocad. Worse
>>>>>>>> yet, if you adapt your script to actually update files that are out
>>>>>>>> of date, this will further require the appropriate level of
>>>>>>>> permissions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of "the best way to do something at windows logon", I
>>>>>>>> agree with KMS that the group policy approach is the "best of
>>>>>>>> breed" in many ways. But, of course, this requires a domain
>>>>>>>> environment. But even if you have such an environment and are not
>>>>>>>> already running logon scripts it might just be too much work with
>>>>>>>> too much risk associated to develop Group Policy just to support a
>>>>>>>> single application and/or user when a simpler approach works OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can you explain how to "login script through Group policy "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you do not have the IT knowledge to manage Group Policy, create
>>>>>>>> logon scripts on the domain controller, configure accounts to run
>>>>>>>> logon scripts, then it is likely that you do not have the
>>>>>>>> privileges required to do so. Not only that, but it would be highly
>>>>>>>> unfortunate if you did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> re: al's option 1 above (put in all users startup) -
>>>>>>>>> i thought that meant a folder under C:\Documents and Settings\All
>>>>>>>>> Users called startup but i don't see one on this laptop? Do I
>>>>>>>>> just create a folder named Startup under AllUsers and whatever
>>>>>>>>> shortcuts are in there will run?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Assuming a standard XP installation, the shortcuts could go here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to affect all users. This would require administrator privileges on
>>>>>>>> the workstation. To have them run only for you, you could put them
>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\mark\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks for your help and sorry for my ignorance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're welcome, and no need to apologize; we are all ignorant of
>>>>>>>> things we haven't learned yet. It would have been a problem had you
>>>>>>>> not recognized and admitted your own lack of knowledge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As an aside, and assuming that the file comparison needs to be done
>>>>>>>> before each autocad session, you could modify your script to start
>>>>>>>> autocad after doing the file comparisons. You would then just have
>>>>>>>> to remember to start autocad by running that script instead of
>>>>>>>> running it directly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Al
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for all your info. Looks like it is a domain, and further
>>>>>>> that I have no interest in getting into that level of things (due to
>>>>>>> my lack of knowlege). The acad approach will be ideal on further
>>>>>>> consideration, but I appreciate the education.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mark,
>>>>>> It's cool that you are copying local files. But i'm currius. Did you
>>>>>> type those on MS-DOS-Prompt? And by the way, you are welcome for my
>>>>>> info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From,
>>>>>> Kenny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 3 Aug 2010 09:27

"Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
news:%23KpbB6wMLHA.5668(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:eHimbMXMLHA.5624(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:eVXzu6DMLHA.1856(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ebHoU4DMLHA.5860(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:O8T7h%23CMLHA.5668(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:exOvtl3LLHA.3732(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:evsOwj3LLHA.3496(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:i2sq3h$94i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Al Dunbar" <alandrub(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uattQ%23qLLHA.6128(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:i2p0sh$hq0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "KMS" <mohan.kammili(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:875f76de-214a-48ca-812e-d2cb2969f2cf(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 12:27 am, "Al Dunbar" <aland...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "mp" <nos...(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> news:i2lqec$eir$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > i've heard of having a login script run to compare server copy
>>>>>>>>>>> > to local
>>>>>>>>>>> > copy dates(of a file)
>>>>>>>>>>> > i've written a vbs file i thnk is more or less correct :-) how
>>>>>>>>>>> > do i get
>>>>>>>>>>> > that to run on login?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are a couple of ways of doing that (see below), but the
>>>>>>>>>>> choice depends
>>>>>>>>>>> on a number of things you have not told us about your
>>>>>>>>>>> environment:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - put a shortcut to your script in the all users startup folder
>>>>>>>>>>> - create a logon script local to the computer(s)
>>>>>>>>>>> - place it in the netlogon share on a domain controller, and
>>>>>>>>>>> update all
>>>>>>>>>>> accounts to reference it
>>>>>>>>>>> - define a logon script using group policy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> /Al
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I personally recommend going with login script through Group
>>>>>>>>>> policy if
>>>>>>>>>> possible since that gives more control in many occasions. However
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> depends on ur exact requirement. Also lets know more about the
>>>>>>>>>> requirement so that can assess modifications to ur script to act
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> login script
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Al and KMS,
>>>>>>>>>> sadly i'm not an IT guy so know little about Groups/networking
>>>>>>>>>> etc. I do programming in autocad and vb6 and some dotnet but have
>>>>>>>>>> always been weak in general windows knowlege.
>>>>>>>>>> I think we're in workgroups. I've been told the server is sql
>>>>>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>>>>> Most of the boxes are xp, one is win7.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could be a workgroup or a domain. Can you logon to two different
>>>>>>>>> XP computers using the same account and password? if you change
>>>>>>>>> your password while logged on at one XP system, does this new
>>>>>>>>> password get you in on the other? If you answer Yes to both
>>>>>>>>> questions, you are likely in a domain environment. If No, more
>>>>>>>>> likely a workgroup environment, but it could still be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To find out for sure, right-click on the "my computer" icon,
>>>>>>>>> select "properties", then click on the "Computer Name" tab.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> domain ==> allows for all of my suggestions
>>>>>>>>> workgroup ==> only the first two would be possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I may end up putting this in the autocad environment so when acad
>>>>>>>>>> starts up the filecomparison/copy is done. but for my knowlege
>>>>>>>>>> i'd like to know the best way to do it at windows logon as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If this would work, and if the file operations are only required
>>>>>>>>> for autocad use, this might be the best approach. It might mean
>>>>>>>>> running the scripts more often, which could be a nuisance if they
>>>>>>>>> make you wait. But if the server files might be updated between
>>>>>>>>> autocad sessions, running at logon might not get you the most up
>>>>>>>>> to date information.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regardless, if the files being compared are "in use" at the time,
>>>>>>>>> this might render the result of the comparisons invalid. If the
>>>>>>>>> files are "used" by Autocad, then it seems likely this would be a
>>>>>>>>> problem, and you'd have to run them before starting autocad. Worse
>>>>>>>>> yet, if you adapt your script to actually update files that are
>>>>>>>>> out of date, this will further require the appropriate level of
>>>>>>>>> permissions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In terms of "the best way to do something at windows logon", I
>>>>>>>>> agree with KMS that the group policy approach is the "best of
>>>>>>>>> breed" in many ways. But, of course, this requires a domain
>>>>>>>>> environment. But even if you have such an environment and are not
>>>>>>>>> already running logon scripts it might just be too much work with
>>>>>>>>> too much risk associated to develop Group Policy just to support a
>>>>>>>>> single application and/or user when a simpler approach works OK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> can you explain how to "login script through Group policy "
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you do not have the IT knowledge to manage Group Policy, create
>>>>>>>>> logon scripts on the domain controller, configure accounts to run
>>>>>>>>> logon scripts, then it is likely that you do not have the
>>>>>>>>> privileges required to do so. Not only that, but it would be
>>>>>>>>> highly unfortunate if you did.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> re: al's option 1 above (put in all users startup) -
>>>>>>>>>> i thought that meant a folder under C:\Documents and Settings\All
>>>>>>>>>> Users called startup but i don't see one on this laptop? Do I
>>>>>>>>>> just create a folder named Startup under AllUsers and whatever
>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts are in there will run?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Assuming a standard XP installation, the shortcuts could go here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to affect all users. This would require administrator privileges
>>>>>>>>> on the workstation. To have them run only for you, you could put
>>>>>>>>> them here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\mark\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for your help and sorry for my ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're welcome, and no need to apologize; we are all ignorant of
>>>>>>>>> things we haven't learned yet. It would have been a problem had
>>>>>>>>> you not recognized and admitted your own lack of knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As an aside, and assuming that the file comparison needs to be
>>>>>>>>> done before each autocad session, you could modify your script to
>>>>>>>>> start autocad after doing the file comparisons. You would then
>>>>>>>>> just have to remember to start autocad by running that script
>>>>>>>>> instead of running it directly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /Al
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your info. Looks like it is a domain, and further
>>>>>>>> that I have no interest in getting into that level of things (due
>>>>>>>> to my lack of knowlege). The acad approach will be ideal on
>>>>>>>> further consideration, but I appreciate the education.
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Mark,
>>>>>>> It's cool that you are copying local files. But i'm currius. Did you
>>>>>>> type those on MS-DOS-Prompt? And by the way, you are welcome for my
>>>>>>> info.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From,
>>>>>>> Kenny
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 4 Aug 2010 18:45

"Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
news:%23SQrs%23wMLHA.6100(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
> news:%23KpbB6wMLHA.5668(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:eHimbMXMLHA.5624(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eVXzu6DMLHA.1856(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ebHoU4DMLHA.5860(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O8T7h%23CMLHA.5668(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <LarsenK(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:exOvtl3LLHA.3732(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:evsOwj3LLHA.3496(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:i2sq3h$94i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Al Dunbar" <alandrub(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uattQ%23qLLHA.6128(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:i2p0sh$hq0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "KMS" <mohan.kammili(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:875f76de-214a-48ca-812e-d2cb2969f2cf(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 12:27 am, "Al Dunbar" <aland...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "mp" <nos...(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:i2lqec$eir$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> > i've heard of having a login script run to compare server
>>>>>>>>>>>> > copy to local
>>>>>>>>>>>> > copy dates(of a file)
>>>>>>>>>>>> > i've written a vbs file i thnk is more or less correct :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> > how do i get
>>>>>>>>>>>> > that to run on login?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a couple of ways of doing that (see below), but the
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice depends
>>>>>>>>>>>> on a number of things you have not told us about your
>>>>>>>>>>>> environment:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - put a shortcut to your script in the all users startup folder
>>>>>>>>>>>> - create a logon script local to the computer(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>> - place it in the netlogon share on a domain controller, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> update all
>>>>>>>>>>>> accounts to reference it
>>>>>>>>>>>> - define a logon script using group policy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /Al
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I personally recommend going with login script through Group
>>>>>>>>>>> policy if
>>>>>>>>>>> possible since that gives more control in many occasions.
>>>>>>>>>>> However it
>>>>>>>>>>> depends on ur exact requirement. Also lets know more about the
>>>>>>>>>>> requirement so that can assess modifications to ur script to act
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> login script
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Al and KMS,
>>>>>>>>>>> sadly i'm not an IT guy so know little about Groups/networking
>>>>>>>>>>> etc. I do programming in autocad and vb6 and some dotnet but
>>>>>>>>>>> have always been weak in general windows knowlege.
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we're in workgroups. I've been told the server is sql
>>>>>>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the boxes are xp, one is win7.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could be a workgroup or a domain. Can you logon to two different
>>>>>>>>>> XP computers using the same account and password? if you change
>>>>>>>>>> your password while logged on at one XP system, does this new
>>>>>>>>>> password get you in on the other? If you answer Yes to both
>>>>>>>>>> questions, you are likely in a domain environment. If No, more
>>>>>>>>>> likely a workgroup environment, but it could still be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To find out for sure, right-click on the "my computer" icon,
>>>>>>>>>> select "properties", then click on the "Computer Name" tab.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> domain ==> allows for all of my suggestions
>>>>>>>>>> workgroup ==> only the first two would be possible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I may end up putting this in the autocad environment so when
>>>>>>>>>>> acad starts up the filecomparison/copy is done. but for my
>>>>>>>>>>> knowlege i'd like to know the best way to do it at windows logon
>>>>>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If this would work, and if the file operations are only required
>>>>>>>>>> for autocad use, this might be the best approach. It might mean
>>>>>>>>>> running the scripts more often, which could be a nuisance if they
>>>>>>>>>> make you wait. But if the server files might be updated between
>>>>>>>>>> autocad sessions, running at logon might not get you the most up
>>>>>>>>>> to date information.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, if the files being compared are "in use" at the time,
>>>>>>>>>> this might render the result of the comparisons invalid. If the
>>>>>>>>>> files are "used" by Autocad, then it seems likely this would be a
>>>>>>>>>> problem, and you'd have to run them before starting autocad.
>>>>>>>>>> Worse yet, if you adapt your script to actually update files that
>>>>>>>>>> are out of date, this will further require the appropriate level
>>>>>>>>>> of permissions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In terms of "the best way to do something at windows logon", I
>>>>>>>>>> agree with KMS that the group policy approach is the "best of
>>>>>>>>>> breed" in many ways. But, of course, this requires a domain
>>>>>>>>>> environment. But even if you have such an environment and are not
>>>>>>>>>> already running logon scripts it might just be too much work with
>>>>>>>>>> too much risk associated to develop Group Policy just to support
>>>>>>>>>> a single application and/or user when a simpler approach works
>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> can you explain how to "login script through Group policy "
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you do not have the IT knowledge to manage Group Policy,
>>>>>>>>>> create logon scripts on the domain controller, configure accounts
>>>>>>>>>> to run logon scripts, then it is likely that you do not have the
>>>>>>>>>> privileges required to do so. Not only that, but it would be
>>>>>>>>>> highly unfortunate if you did.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> re: al's option 1 above (put in all users startup) -
>>>>>>>>>>> i thought that meant a folder under C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\All Users called startup but i don't see one on this
>>>>>>>>>>> laptop? Do I just create a folder named Startup under AllUsers
>>>>>>>>>>> and whatever shortcuts are in there will run?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Assuming a standard XP installation, the shortcuts could go here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start
>>>>>>>>>> Menu\Programs\Startup
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to affect all users. This would require administrator privileges
>>>>>>>>>> on the workstation. To have them run only for you, you could put
>>>>>>>>>> them here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\mark\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for your help and sorry for my ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're welcome, and no need to apologize; we are all ignorant of
>>>>>>>>>> things we haven't learned yet. It would have been a problem had
>>>>>>>>>> you not recognized and admitted your own lack of knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As an aside, and assuming that the file comparison needs to be
>>>>>>>>>> done before each autocad session, you could modify your script to
>>>>>>>>>> start autocad after doing the file comparisons. You would then
>>>>>>>>>> just have to remember to start autocad by running that script
>>>>>>>>>> instead of running it directly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /Al
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your info. Looks like it is a domain, and further
>>>>>>>>> that I have no interest in getting into that level of things (due
>>>>>>>>> to my lack of knowlege). The acad approach will be ideal on
>>>>>>>>> further consideration, but I appreciate the education.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Mark,
>>>>>>>> It's cool that you are copying local files. But i'm currius. Did
>>>>>>>> you type those on MS-DOS-Prompt? And by the way, you are welcome
>>>>>>>> for my info.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From,
>>>>>>>> Kenny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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From: Kenneth A. Larsen on 8 Aug 2010 10:48

"Kenneth A. Larsen" <kuhlpc#2(a)optimum.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)thanks.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>> "Al Dunbar" <alandrub(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>> "mp" <nospam(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>>> "KMS" <mohan.kammili(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 12:27 am, "Al Dunbar" <aland...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "mp" <nos...(a)Thanks.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:i2lqec$eir$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > i've heard of having a login script run to compare server
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > copy to local
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > copy dates(of a file)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > i've written a vbs file i thnk is more or less correct :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > how do i get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > that to run on login?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a couple of ways of doing that (see below), but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice depends
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a number of things you have not told us about your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - put a shortcut to your script in the all users startup
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - create a logon script local to the computer(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - place it in the netlogon share on a domain controller, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> update all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accounts to reference it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - define a logon script using group policy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Al
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I personally recommend going with login script through Group
>>>>>>>>>>>> policy if
>>>>>>>>>>>> possible since that gives more control in many occasions.
>>>>>>>>>>>> However it
>>>>>>>>>>>> depends on ur exact requirement. Also lets know more about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement so that can assess modifications to ur script to
>>>>>>>>>>>> act as
>>>>>>>>>>>> login script
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Al and KMS,
>>>>>>>>>>>> sadly i'm not an IT guy so know little about Groups/networking
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. I do programming in autocad and vb6 and some dotnet but
>>>>>>>>>>>> have always been weak in general windows knowlege.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we're in workgroups. I've been told the server is sql
>>>>>>>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the boxes are xp, one is win7.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could be a workgroup or a domain. Can you logon to two different
>>>>>>>>>>> XP computers using the same account and password? if you change
>>>>>>>>>>> your password while logged on at one XP system, does this new
>>>>>>>>>>> password get you in on the other? If you answer Yes to both
>>>>>>>>>>> questions, you are likely in a domain environment. If No, more
>>>>>>>>>>> likely a workgroup environment, but it could still be.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To find out for sure, right-click on the "my computer" icon,
>>>>>>>>>>> select "properties", then click on the "Computer Name" tab.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> domain ==> allows for all of my suggestions
>>>>>>>>>>> workgroup ==> only the first two would be possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I may end up putting this in the autocad environment so when
>>>>>>>>>>>> acad starts up the filecomparison/copy is done. but for my
>>>>>>>>>>>> knowlege i'd like to know the best way to do it at windows
>>>>>>>>>>>> logon as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If this would work, and if the file operations are only required
>>>>>>>>>>> for autocad use, this might be the best approach. It might mean
>>>>>>>>>>> running the scripts more often, which could be a nuisance if
>>>>>>>>>>> they make you wait. But if the server files might be updated
>>>>>>>>>>> between autocad sessions, running at logon might not get you the
>>>>>>>>>>> most up to date information.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, if the files being compared are "in use" at the
>>>>>>>>>>> time, this might render the result of the comparisons invalid.
>>>>>>>>>>> If the files are "used" by Autocad, then it seems likely this
>>>>>>>>>>> would be a problem, and you'd have to run them before starting
>>>>>>>>>>> autocad. Worse yet, if you adapt your script to actually update
>>>>>>>>>>> files that are out of date, this will further require the
>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate level of permissions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In terms of "the best way to do something at windows logon", I
>>>>>>>>>>> agree with KMS that the group policy approach is the "best of
>>>>>>>>>>> breed" in many ways. But, of course, this requires a domain
>>>>>>>>>>> environment. But even if you have such an environment and are
>>>>>>>>>>> not already running logon scripts it might just be too much work
>>>>>>>>>>> with too much risk associated to develop Group Policy just to
>>>>>>>>>>> support a single application and/or user when a simpler approach
>>>>>>>>>>> works OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> can you explain how to "login script through Group policy "
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you do not have the IT knowledge to manage Group Policy,
>>>>>>>>>>> create logon scripts on the domain controller, configure
>>>>>>>>>>> accounts to run logon scripts, then it is likely that you do not
>>>>>>>>>>> have the privileges required to do so. Not only that, but it
>>>>>>>>>>> would be highly unfortunate if you did.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> re: al's option 1 above (put in all users startup) -
>>>>>>>>>>>> i thought that meant a folder under C:\Documents and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings\All Users called startup but i don't see one on this
>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop? Do I just create a folder named Startup under AllUsers
>>>>>>>>>>>> and whatever shortcuts are in there will run?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming a standard XP installation, the shortcuts could go
>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start
>>>>>>>>>>> Menu\Programs\Startup
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to affect all users. This would require administrator privileges
>>>>>>>>>>> on the workstation. To have them run only for you, you could put
>>>>>>>>>>> them here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> C:\Documents and Settings\mark\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for your help and sorry for my ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're welcome, and no need to apologize; we are all ignorant of
>>>>>>>>>>> things we haven't learned yet. It would have been a problem had
>>>>>>>>>>> you not recognized and admitted your own lack of knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As an aside, and assuming that the file comparison needs to be
>>>>>>>>>>> done before each autocad session, you could modify your script
>>>>>>>>>>> to start autocad after doing the file comparisons. You would
>>>>>>>>>>> then just have to remember to start autocad by running that
>>>>>>>>>>> script instead of running it directly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> /Al
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your info. Looks like it is a domain, and further
>>>>>>>>>> that I have no interest in getting into that level of things (due
>>>>>>>>>> to my lack of knowlege). The acad approach will be ideal on
>>>>>>>>>> further consideration, but I appreciate the education.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Mark,
>>>>>>>>> It's cool that you are copying local files. But i'm currius. Did
>>>>>>>>> you type those on MS-DOS-Prompt? And by the way, you are welcome
>>>>>>>>> for my info.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From,
>>>>>>>>> Kenny
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