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From: Sue Morton on 15 Apr 2007 08:17 If you split your guitars to separate MIDI tracks, you can route them to any softsynth or hardware synth. No different than any other midi track? Or do I not understand what you are asking? -- Sue Morton "Cap'n Ron" <Cap'nRon(a)NOSPAM88.com> wrote in message news:n1hUh.10989$qB4.10817(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> If you want great guitars then you need to go with sample based options >> . > > That's what I was afraid of. Do you know if it would be possible to run > everything but the guitars through the Yam softsynth, and set the guitars > "output" to samples/soundfonts? Does that create a syncing problem? And > do you have any suggestions for guitar sampling? > > Thanks for your help. > > >
From: Cap'n Ron on 15 Apr 2007 09:59 No, Sue, you got it right. I am using Sonar 2 which came with some softsynths, but I am kinda new to midi. The Yamaha was as simple as it could be, just install and play everything through it. I have tried to route the guitars through VSC and some of the other synths with Sonar, but they seem to fight me every step of the way. Last night I tried again, with similar results. I inserted the DXI synth (VSC this time) which adds an audio track to the midi tracks. Still not sure how you are supposed to control the original midi guitar track. Are you supposed to make patch changes on the original midi track, the new audio track, or the popup synth track? Could they have made this any more confusing? Anyway, finally got sound, but when I play the entire song, the midi tracks and this new VSC track just don't sync up right. At about 1 a.m I started to read about midi clocks and audio engines, but I couldn't stay awake. Am I heading the right direction. Thanks again, you have helped me a lot in the past. Cap'n Ron "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message news:eJoUh.500$iZ5.249(a)newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > If you split your guitars to separate MIDI tracks, you can route them to > any softsynth or hardware synth. No different than any other midi track? > Or do I not understand what you are asking? > -- > Sue Morton > > "Cap'n Ron" <Cap'nRon(a)NOSPAM88.com> wrote in message > news:n1hUh.10989$qB4.10817(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >>> >>> If you want great guitars then you need to go with sample based options >>> . >> >> That's what I was afraid of. Do you know if it would be possible to run >> everything but the guitars through the Yam softsynth, and set the guitars >> "output" to samples/soundfonts? Does that create a syncing problem? And >> do you have any suggestions for guitar sampling? >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> >> > >
From: Sue Morton on 15 Apr 2007 11:22 Cap'n Ron wrote: > No, Sue, you got it right. I am using Sonar 2 which came with some > softsynths, but I am kinda new to midi. The Yamaha was as simple as it > could be, just install and play everything through it. I have tried to > route the guitars through VSC and some of the other synths with Sonar, but > they seem to fight me every step of the way. > > Last night I tried again, with similar results. I inserted the DXI synth > (VSC this time) which adds an audio track to the midi tracks. Still not > sure how you are supposed to control the original midi guitar track. Are > you supposed to make patch changes on the original midi track, the new audio > track, or the popup synth track? Could they have made this any more > confusing? > > Anyway, finally got sound, but when I play the entire song, the midi tracks > and this new VSC track just don't sync up right. At about 1 a.m I started > to read about midi clocks and audio engines, but I couldn't stay awake. Am > I heading the right direction. > > Thanks again, you have helped me a lot in the past. > > Cap'n Ron > "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message > news:eJoUh.500$iZ5.249(a)newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... >> If you split your guitars to separate MIDI tracks, you can route them to >> any softsynth or hardware synth. No different than any other midi track? >> Or do I not understand what you are asking? >> -- >> Sue Morton >> >> "Cap'n Ron" <Cap'nRon(a)NOSPAM88.com> wrote in message >> news:n1hUh.10989$qB4.10817(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>> If you want great guitars then you need to go with sample based options >>>> . >>> That's what I was afraid of. Do you know if it would be possible to run >>> everything but the guitars through the Yam softsynth, and set the guitars >>> "output" to samples/soundfonts? Does that create a syncing problem? And >>> do you have any suggestions for guitar sampling? >>> >>> Thanks for your help. >>> >>> >>> >> > > I completely understand your confusion (been there done that) but believe me when I tell you it looks more complicated than it is. 1. MIDI Track -- this is your midi instructions. It has no sound, it is just the instructions to something else (soft synth, hardware synth on a soundcard, external hardware or synth like a keyboard). It's stuff like "now play a Bb for 1 measure on the oboe" -- that's not how it is written internally of course but that's in essence what's there. 2. Softsynth in Sonar -- this is a program that understands the instructions from a MIDI track, can convert it to audio, and route that audio to a bus or your soundcard so you can hear it. Alternately you might be sending the MIDI right out of the computer and to an external keyboard that will interpret the MIDI instructions and play the corresponding sounds. When you Insert A Synth into Sonar, there is an options dialog which asks you if you need a MIDI source track, output audio tracks, etc. This is what is confusing you. If you already have MIDI tracks in your Sonar project, you don't need the Synth Wizard to create any blank ones for you. Unselect the option to insert source MIDI tracks (unless you want more). As far as output synth tracks go, the TTS-1 for example has four separate audio outputs per instance of the synth. There are a variety of uses for multiple outputs, for now just stick with one. Once the synth has been inserted into your project, you set the output of your MIDI tracks to the synth. Then set the output of the synth to a bus or your soundcard. If you have your guitar MIDI instructions on a separate track(s) from your other MIDI track(s) you can route that output to a different synth, out the box to an external module like a keyboard, etc. Think of the inputs and outputs from each of these things as cables or wires. If you put one instrument on each MIDI track, you have full control over where that instrument is going to be routed -- all can still go into one copy of a softsynth, all but one into the TTS-1 and one track into a different synth such as Atmosphere, and so on. Since all the 'cables and wires' are virtual you don't usually have to worry about how many are already plugged in. Some synths have limits, some don't, you just have to learn your options with each program. Oh, and you make your note oriented changes in the MIDI track. It's where the 'sheet music' lives :-) Hope this helps a bit...
From: Cap'n Ron on 15 Apr 2007 12:31 A lot of great info, but a couple of questions still: 1. Midi track - output to VSC for example, should the patch(instrument) selected be "none" and the instrument selected on the VSC the one I really want? Seems that Nylon gtr. on the midi conflicts with Hawaiian gtr. on the synth. 2. I have midi tracks in the song, so I don't insert new ones as you said. However, don't I have to insert the audio track when I insert the DXI synth? 3. Syncing - It seems that when I do get this to work, the Yamaha synth is playing all the other tracks while the VSC is playing the guitar track. However, the music played back doesn't sound in time. The guitar track is slightly behind I believe. Is there a possible Audio Engine setting I have wrong? 4. Do I have an issue with the Yamaha set as my Global output device for all midi in the Tools section? Does the VSC override this global setting for the guitar track only? Okay, that's enough questions for now. Thanks for taking the time to make such a lengthy response. You help is appreciated very much. Cap'n Ron "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message news:LqrUh.4334$H_5.2456(a)newssvr23.news.prodigy.net... > Cap'n Ron wrote: >> No, Sue, you got it right. I am using Sonar 2 which came with some >> softsynths, but I am kinda new to midi. The Yamaha was as simple as it >> could be, just install and play everything through it. I have tried to >> route the guitars through VSC and some of the other synths with Sonar, >> but they seem to fight me every step of the way. >> >> Last night I tried again, with similar results. I inserted the DXI synth >> (VSC this time) which adds an audio track to the midi tracks. Still not >> sure how you are supposed to control the original midi guitar track. Are >> you supposed to make patch changes on the original midi track, the new >> audio track, or the popup synth track? Could they have made this any >> more confusing? >> >> Anyway, finally got sound, but when I play the entire song, the midi >> tracks and this new VSC track just don't sync up right. At about 1 a.m I >> started to read about midi clocks and audio engines, but I couldn't stay >> awake. Am I heading the right direction. >> >> Thanks again, you have helped me a lot in the past. >> >> Cap'n Ron >> "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message >> news:eJoUh.500$iZ5.249(a)newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... >>> If you split your guitars to separate MIDI tracks, you can route them to >>> any softsynth or hardware synth. No different than any other midi >>> track? Or do I not understand what you are asking? >>> -- >>> Sue Morton >>> >>> "Cap'n Ron" <Cap'nRon(a)NOSPAM88.com> wrote in message >>> news:n1hUh.10989$qB4.10817(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>>> If you want great guitars then you need to go with sample based >>>>> options . >>>> That's what I was afraid of. Do you know if it would be possible to >>>> run everything but the guitars through the Yam softsynth, and set the >>>> guitars "output" to samples/soundfonts? Does that create a syncing >>>> problem? And do you have any suggestions for guitar sampling? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your help. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > I completely understand your confusion (been there done that) but believe > me when I tell you it looks more complicated than it is. > > 1. MIDI Track -- this is your midi instructions. It has no sound, it is > just the instructions to something else (soft synth, hardware synth on a > soundcard, external hardware or synth like a keyboard). It's stuff like > "now play a Bb for 1 measure on the oboe" -- that's not how it is written > internally of course but that's in essence what's there. > > 2. Softsynth in Sonar -- this is a program that understands the > instructions from a MIDI track, can convert it to audio, and route that > audio to a bus or your soundcard so you can hear it. > > Alternately you might be sending the MIDI right out of the computer and to > an external keyboard that will interpret the MIDI instructions and play > the corresponding sounds. > > > > When you Insert A Synth into Sonar, there is an options dialog which asks > you if you need a MIDI source track, output audio tracks, etc. This is > what is confusing you. If you already have MIDI tracks in your Sonar > project, you don't need the Synth Wizard to create any blank ones for you. > Unselect the option to insert source MIDI tracks (unless you want more). > > As far as output synth tracks go, the TTS-1 for example has four separate > audio outputs per instance of the synth. There are a variety of uses for > multiple outputs, for now just stick with one. > > Once the synth has been inserted into your project, you set the output of > your MIDI tracks to the synth. Then set the output of the synth to a bus > or your soundcard. > > If you have your guitar MIDI instructions on a separate track(s) from your > other MIDI track(s) you can route that output to a different synth, out > the box to an external module like a keyboard, etc. Think of the inputs > and outputs from each of these things as cables or wires. > > If you put one instrument on each MIDI track, you have full control over > where that instrument is going to be routed -- all can still go into one > copy of a softsynth, all but one into the TTS-1 and one track into a > different synth such as Atmosphere, and so on. Since all the 'cables and > wires' are virtual you don't usually have to worry about how many are > already plugged in. Some synths have limits, some don't, you just have to > learn your options with each program. > > Oh, and you make your note oriented changes in the MIDI track. It's where > the 'sheet music' lives :-) > > Hope this helps a bit...
From: Nil on 15 Apr 2007 13:50
On 15 Apr 2007, "Cap'n Ron" <Cap'nRon(a)NOSPAM88.com> wrote in cakewalk.audio: > Last night I tried again, with similar results. I inserted the > DXI synth (VSC this time) which adds an audio track to the midi > tracks. Still not sure how you are supposed to control the > original midi guitar track. Are you supposed to make patch > changes on the original midi track, the new audio track, or the > popup synth track? Could they have made this any more confusing? Are all your MIDI parts contained in one track? If so, it was probably imported from a Type 0 MIDI file. Type 1 MIDIs have each instrument on a separate track. If the former, it sounds like the part you're missing is to split the guitar track out of your all-inclusive track into a separate one. Then you can assign the guitar track to its own softsynth, and let all the other instruments be taken care of by the VSC. The guitar track is certain to have been assigned its own MIDI channel. Therefore, you can use Edit | Select | By filter (using the filter to select all the notes that have been assigned to that particular channel) to extract the guitar part and paste it to it's own track. > Anyway, finally got sound, but when I play the entire song, the > midi tracks and this new VSC track just don't sync up right. At > about 1 a.m I started to read about midi clocks and audio engines, > but I couldn't stay awake. Am I heading the right direction. It's possible they could out of sync, but not likely. It would be more likely if one track were routed to an external hardware synth, or maybe Window's built-in synthesizer. But in any case, if you think one track is a little out of sync, Sonar allows you to nudge it forward or backward in time. |