GUIs - A Modest Proposal
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From: geremy condra on 9 Jun 2010 02:38 On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Robert Kern <robert.kern(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 6/9/10 1:12 AM, rantingrick wrote: <snip> >> But you know i think it boils down to fear really. He is comfortable >> in his life and wishes to keep it as cookie cutter as he can. Any >> outside influence must be quashed before these meddling forces can >> take hold of him. He is so fearful of seeing the light in an opposing >> argument that blinding himself from reality is easier than facing >> reality. > > Ah, so you are a psychoanalyst, too? Amazing! How do you think he mad so many incorrect predictions, eh? Geremy Condra
From: Gregory Ewing on 9 Jun 2010 03:10 Martin P. Hellwig wrote: > I do think it is technically possible to have your own window manager in > python on x11 but I have no idea if you have equal possibilities on mac > and windows (for example to define your own window decoration). > Though considering tk does just that I would guess this to be the case. To my knowledge, neither Windows nor MacOSX have a replaceable window manager in the sense that X11 does. However, it's always possible for an application to create a window with none of the standard borders or decorations and fake them itself, which is what I expect Tk is doing here. -- Greg
From: Gregory Ewing on 9 Jun 2010 04:18 Lie Ryan wrote: > Much like regex a DSL for matching text, Tcl/Tk is pretty much a DSL for > creating GUI I can't see any things about the tcl language that make it especially good for describing GUIs, and even if there were such things, Tkinter pretty much hides the existence of tcl completely, so you wouldn't get any advantage from them in Python anyway. (And BTW the DSL conventionally used to express regexps is *horrible* for anything but the very simplest ones, IMO.) -- Greg
From: rantingrick on 9 Jun 2010 04:44 On Jun 9, 3:18 am, Gregory Ewing <greg.ew...(a)canterbury.ac.nz> wrote: > I can't see any things about the tcl language that make > it especially good for describing GUIs, And neither can i. And thats because Tcl's syntax is great for obfuscation and really nothing more. Anyone who thinks differently i encourage you to put a Tkinter and TclTk script of the same GUI side by side and you'll see exactly what i mean. It's like night and day! Sure Python does make you type a lot more text but in the end (when maintenance time comes around) which would YOU rather debug? And just think, if the balance of the world ever came down to a thumb wrestling contest. Well then all that finger exercise will pay off enormously! ;-)
From: Lie Ryan on 9 Jun 2010 04:45
On 06/09/10 08:20, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: > > However I don't think that x11 represents that majority (just a gut > feeling I have no data to back this claim up) of gui users, so an equal > solution should be found for windows and macs. > > I do think it is technically possible to have your own window manager in > python on x11 but I have no idea if you have equal possibilities on mac Doesn't Mac uses an X server as well? |