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From: Chris Davies on 7 Sep 2008 11:25 jasee <jasee(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > What exactly is wrong with Suse? I've been following this thread no one has > mentioned it and it's a good reliable distro, isnt it? I struggled - and failed - to get SuSE 10 to talk to its updates provider. This was a paid-for version, I add. Once bitten, and all that. Chris
From: Geoffrey Clements on 7 Sep 2008 13:48 tinnews(a)isbd.co.uk wrote: > Tony Houghton <h(a)realh.co.uk> wrote: >> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:54:05 +0100 >> Geoffrey Clements <bitbucket(a)electron.me.uk> wrote: >> >> > I must of been having a particularly lucent day because I also >> > remembered to copy the firmware files from Gentoo. >> >> Not lucent enough for pedantic English I'm afraid :-(. Sorry, but "must > > lucid surely, or is lucent an alternative? > I initially intended to write "lucid" but wrote "lucent" by accident, noticing that my spelling checker didn't like the word I looked it up in an on-line dictionary which said "Shining; bright; resplendent" and I thought "yea, that's me" ;-) -- Geoff Registered Linux user 196308 Replace bitbucket with geoff to mail me.
From: Geoffrey Clements on 7 Sep 2008 14:04 Sheridan Hutchinson wrote: > Geoffrey Clements wrote: >> I read somewhere that module-assistant should be used nowadays but if >> I've got that wrong I'm happy to be corrected. > > Where possible it's usually best for you and Debian to use > module-assistant, if you have to build a module manually and it's not in > the repo's. > >> The really tricky one was the nvidia stuff which for some reason >> isn't "supported" in the Lenny repos. Well I say "not supported" the >> stuff is there they just don't make it easy to get and install. > > There are two problems here. Firstly the official NVIDIA installer > (from www.nvidia.com) is broken because it won't install on kernels with > Xen flags like the stock Debian kernel. > > Probably the best way around this is to use the nvidia module package > that is in unstable (but not testing/lenny). You can use apt-pinning to > pick out that package from unstable and that package will install > without issue. > I obtained the following (sorry for the wrap): http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-5_i386.deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-glx_173.14.09-5_i386.deb and used m-a to compile the nvidia-kernel-source into a binary deb then I used dpkg to install both nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx. I don't know how you tell which release they're from. I have read about pinning some time ago. I've got to admit I didn't understand it the first time through so I think I'll have to read it again. I found Gentoo's masking and keywording to be much more intuitive. >> Now I need to work out an automated way to recompile these kernel >> modules whenever the kernel is updated like Gentoo's module-rebuild. > > If you're compiling your own kernel by hand then I don't now of an > obvious solution. > I'm using a stock kernel. > If you're using the stock kernel (which is appropriate for just almost > everyone, although some will have other needs) then it will break down > like this. > > Say a new kernel version comes down, 2.6.27, and your system is using > 2.6.26. In the case of the nvidia package from unstable, that will > automatically be updated at the same time as the kernel, so that will > take care of itself. > > If you're using the nvidia driver straight from www.nvidia.com then > naturally you will be required to reinstall it. > > In addition anything built with module-assistant however will need to be > built again against the new stock kernel. > I remember noticing that when you upgrade the kernel other events are triggered like update-grub. It's configured in /etc/kernel-img.conf, if I could use that to auto-rebuild kernel modules against the new kernel it would be nifty but I've got other things to sort out first. -- Geoff Registered Linux user 196308 Replace bitbucket with geoff to mail me.
From: Geoffrey Clements on 7 Sep 2008 14:07 Tony Houghton wrote: > On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:48:42 +0100 > Geoffrey Clements <bitbucket(a)electron.me.uk> wrote: > >> Tony Houghton wrote: >> >> > Glad to hear it was just a temporary aberration :-). Did you discover >> > make-kpkg? At first it seems more complicated than make *config; make; >> > make install but it does make it much easier to build modules when the >> > source packages are provided. Most of the time all you need to do is >> > run "make-kpkg linux_image modules_image" then install the packages it >> > creates. >> >> I read somewhere that module-assistant should be used nowadays but if >> I've got that wrong I'm happy to be corrected. > > You're probably right, module-assistant is just a slightly different way > of doing things rather than building the modules at the same time as > your custom kernel. Are you using a stock kernel or a custom one? If > stock, I guess module-assistant makes it a lot more straightforward. > Stock kernel for me - I'm trying to keep things simple. >> The really tricky one was the nvidia stuff which for some reason >> isn't "supported" in the Lenny repos. Well I say "not supported" the >> stuff is there they just don't make it easy to get and install. > > Do you just mean getting binary module packages? I did notice that there > didn't seem to be any stock kernels and nvidia modules with matching > version numbers when I installed unstable recently, but as long as you > can compile it nvidia-kernel-source is easy to get. > See another post for a description of what I did, though I may try Sheridan's idea of using the unstable package, I wasn't sure you could do that sort of thing without the possibility of doing something bad to your system. -- Geoff Registered Linux user 196308 Replace bitbucket with geoff to mail me.
From: Nomen Publicus on 7 Sep 2008 14:37
Chris Davies <chris-usenet(a)roaima.co.uk> wrote: > jasee <jasee(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> What exactly is wrong with Suse? I've been following this thread no one has >> mentioned it and it's a good reliable distro, isnt it? > > I struggled - and failed - to get SuSE 10 to talk to its updates > provider. This was a paid-for version, I add. Once bitten, and all that. > I had problems as well. Eventually it turned out to be a miss-match between the keyboard and the default key mapping used by SUSE during configuration. The result was when I typed @, SUSE saw ~ which confused the registration process when it was expecting an email address. In my defence, the colour scheme used by the SUSE 10 registration screens (light grey on a slightly darker grey) and the tiny character size used despite using a 17" screen made it very difficult to see the error. -- Mel Gibson isn't known for being faithful to the original source. His remake of The Life of Brian is rubbish. -- Michael C |