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From: Tim Conway on 10 Feb 2010 13:43 "Han" <nobody(a)nospam.not> wrote in message news:Xns9D1B7AAF02808ikkezelf(a)216.151.153.70... > "Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote in > news:hkuo9d$gcj$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> >> "Han" <nobody(a)nospam.not> wrote in message >> news:Xns9D1B5B71BA491ikkezelf(a)207.246.207.168... >>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertzsch(a)gmail.com> wrote in >>> news:c7246326-80a0-4dea-a806-24f4a20cef89(a)x9g2000vbo.googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 10:14 am, Robert Neville <d...(a)bother.com> wrote: >>>>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >You know, I have not seen anything about them abandoning the >>>>> >desktop version. Quicken Online? Yes, that is why they bought >>>>> >Mint.com but where did yo see that they were going to abandon the >>>>> >desktop version? >>>>> >>>>> Google Groups is your friend. Earlier in this thread the link was >>>>> posted >>>> to the >>>>> BusinessWeek article where the new Quicken Product Manager >>>>> discussed his sunsetting plans for Quicken Desktop and plans to >>>>> migrate those users to >>>> Mint. >>>> >>>> My mistake. I did not see the line about discontinuing the desktop >>>> version five years out. Must have had my beer goggles on or >>>> something. Thanks for pointing me to it. >>> >>> I think 5 years from now is a long time. Who knows what is going on >>> then. I might retire fairly soon, and then perhaps I can reenter all >>> my data into one of the Quicken competitors, such as they are. On >>> the other hand, as long as I get at least an authoritative copy to >>> keep on a home machine, much of what I do is downloading from >>> internet sources anyway. Therefore, doing the "heavy" computing in >>> the cloud should be OK. But I still like to see (at least previously >>> entered) data without the necessity of an internet connection. >>> >> >> While it would be nice to have everything on the home pc, I could live >> with it on the internet. Right now with windows and broadband, the >> internet is interwoven with everyday computing so much that it's >> almost seamless. > > Almost seamless. The problem is what happens if the "cloud" has an > oopsie? And I need some data now? Even granting that the cloud should > indeed have multiple backup redundancy, if the backbone goes down, or > something gets scrambled between your screen and the data source, can you > wait until things are back up? That presumes that your data are indeed > secure. Good point. Hopefully they will have it all backed up and instantly available. History shows that that isn't always the case though. I find it frightening to put all my data in someone else's hands. But, OTOH, even the best laid plans at home can fail too. It looks as though we're always vulnerable.
From: Mikel Sunova on 10 Feb 2010 14:18 "Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:hkuup9$d81$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Han" <nobody(a)nospam.not> wrote in message > news:Xns9D1B7AAF02808ikkezelf(a)216.151.153.70... >> "Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote in >> news:hkuo9d$gcj$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >> >>> >>> "Han" <nobody(a)nospam.not> wrote in message >>> news:Xns9D1B5B71BA491ikkezelf(a)207.246.207.168... >>>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertzsch(a)gmail.com> wrote in >>>> news:c7246326-80a0-4dea-a806-24f4a20cef89(a)x9g2000vbo.googlegroups.com: >>>> >>>>> On Feb 9, 10:14 am, Robert Neville <d...(a)bother.com> wrote: >>>>>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >You know, I have not seen anything about them abandoning the >>>>>> >desktop version. Quicken Online? Yes, that is why they bought >>>>>> >Mint.com but where did yo see that they were going to abandon the >>>>>> >desktop version? >>>>>> >>>>>> Google Groups is your friend. Earlier in this thread the link was >>>>>> posted >>>>> to the >>>>>> BusinessWeek article where the new Quicken Product Manager >>>>>> discussed his sunsetting plans for Quicken Desktop and plans to >>>>>> migrate those users to >>>>> Mint. >>>>> >>>>> My mistake. I did not see the line about discontinuing the desktop >>>>> version five years out. Must have had my beer goggles on or >>>>> something. Thanks for pointing me to it. >>>> >>>> I think 5 years from now is a long time. Who knows what is going on >>>> then. I might retire fairly soon, and then perhaps I can reenter all >>>> my data into one of the Quicken competitors, such as they are. On >>>> the other hand, as long as I get at least an authoritative copy to >>>> keep on a home machine, much of what I do is downloading from >>>> internet sources anyway. Therefore, doing the "heavy" computing in >>>> the cloud should be OK. But I still like to see (at least previously >>>> entered) data without the necessity of an internet connection. >>>> >>> >>> While it would be nice to have everything on the home pc, I could live >>> with it on the internet. Right now with windows and broadband, the >>> internet is interwoven with everyday computing so much that it's >>> almost seamless. >> >> Almost seamless. The problem is what happens if the "cloud" has an >> oopsie? And I need some data now? Even granting that the cloud should >> indeed have multiple backup redundancy, if the backbone goes down, or >> something gets scrambled between your screen and the data source, can you >> wait until things are back up? That presumes that your data are indeed >> secure. > > Good point. Hopefully they will have it all backed up and instantly > available. History shows that that isn't always the case though. I find > it frightening to put all my data in someone else's hands. But, OTOH, > even the best laid plans at home can fail too. It looks as though we're > always vulnerable. Yes, but much less so when we can maintain control over our own apps, our own data. To rely on someone else to maintain, secure and present our data for our use how and when it is needed is a frightening thought and will inevitably cost the user, who has no other choice (which is another issue relevant to the discussion). Mikel
From: Tim Conway on 10 Feb 2010 15:13 "Mikel Sunova" <msuno(a)att.net> wrote in message news:7EDcn.155644$uH1.20488(a)newsfe25.iad... > > "Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:hkuup9$d81$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Han" <nobody(a)nospam.not> wrote in message >> news:Xns9D1B7AAF02808ikkezelf(a)216.151.153.70... >>> "Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote in >>> news:hkuo9d$gcj$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >>> >>>> >>>> "Han" <nobody(a)nospam.not> wrote in message >>>> news:Xns9D1B5B71BA491ikkezelf(a)207.246.207.168... >>>>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertzsch(a)gmail.com> wrote in >>>>> news:c7246326-80a0-4dea-a806-24f4a20cef89(a)x9g2000vbo.googlegroups.com: >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 9, 10:14 am, Robert Neville <d...(a)bother.com> wrote: >>>>>>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >You know, I have not seen anything about them abandoning the >>>>>>> >desktop version. Quicken Online? Yes, that is why they bought >>>>>>> >Mint.com but where did yo see that they were going to abandon the >>>>>>> >desktop version? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Google Groups is your friend. Earlier in this thread the link was >>>>>>> posted >>>>>> to the >>>>>>> BusinessWeek article where the new Quicken Product Manager >>>>>>> discussed his sunsetting plans for Quicken Desktop and plans to >>>>>>> migrate those users to >>>>>> Mint. >>>>>> >>>>>> My mistake. I did not see the line about discontinuing the desktop >>>>>> version five years out. Must have had my beer goggles on or >>>>>> something. Thanks for pointing me to it. >>>>> >>>>> I think 5 years from now is a long time. Who knows what is going on >>>>> then. I might retire fairly soon, and then perhaps I can reenter all >>>>> my data into one of the Quicken competitors, such as they are. On >>>>> the other hand, as long as I get at least an authoritative copy to >>>>> keep on a home machine, much of what I do is downloading from >>>>> internet sources anyway. Therefore, doing the "heavy" computing in >>>>> the cloud should be OK. But I still like to see (at least previously >>>>> entered) data without the necessity of an internet connection. >>>>> >>>> >>>> While it would be nice to have everything on the home pc, I could live >>>> with it on the internet. Right now with windows and broadband, the >>>> internet is interwoven with everyday computing so much that it's >>>> almost seamless. >>> >>> Almost seamless. The problem is what happens if the "cloud" has an >>> oopsie? And I need some data now? Even granting that the cloud should >>> indeed have multiple backup redundancy, if the backbone goes down, or >>> something gets scrambled between your screen and the data source, can >>> you >>> wait until things are back up? That presumes that your data are indeed >>> secure. >> >> Good point. Hopefully they will have it all backed up and instantly >> available. History shows that that isn't always the case though. I find >> it frightening to put all my data in someone else's hands. But, OTOH, >> even the best laid plans at home can fail too. It looks as though we're >> always vulnerable. > > Yes, but much less so when we can maintain control over our own apps, our > own data. To rely on someone else to maintain, secure and present our data > for our use how and when it is needed is a frightening thought and will > inevitably cost the user, who has no other choice (which is another issue > relevant to the discussion). > I don't see why Intuit doesn't keep Quicken desktop on indefinately. They certainly have a captive clientele. It's arguably the best personal financial softsware. They should see not to screw around with a good thing.
From: Han on 10 Feb 2010 15:45 "Mikel Sunova" <msuno(a)att.net> wrote in news:7EDcn.155644$uH1.20488(a)newsfe25.iad: > Yes, but much less so when we can maintain control over our own apps, > our own data. To rely on someone else to maintain, secure and present > our data for our use how and when it is needed is a frightening > thought and will inevitably cost the user, who has no other choice > (which is another issue relevant to the discussion). If you keep all your backups in the same location, a fire can wipe you out. If you keep some off site, you also relinquish some control. I like redundancy, and that would be how Intuit should approach this - redundancy and control by the owner of the data, under multimodal access. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid
From: Mikel Sunova on 10 Feb 2010 16:14
"Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:hkv41m$q1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Mikel Sunova" <msuno(a)att.net> wrote in message > news:7EDcn.155644$uH1.20488(a)newsfe25.iad... >> >> "Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:hkuup9$d81$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "Han" <nobody(a)nospam.not> wrote in message >>> news:Xns9D1B7AAF02808ikkezelf(a)216.151.153.70... >>>> "Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote in >>>> news:hkuo9d$gcj$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Han" <nobody(a)nospam.not> wrote in message >>>>> news:Xns9D1B5B71BA491ikkezelf(a)207.246.207.168... >>>>>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertzsch(a)gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>> news:c7246326-80a0-4dea-a806-24f4a20cef89(a)x9g2000vbo.googlegroups.com: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 9, 10:14 am, Robert Neville <d...(a)bother.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >You know, I have not seen anything about them abandoning the >>>>>>>> >desktop version. Quicken Online? Yes, that is why they bought >>>>>>>> >Mint.com but where did yo see that they were going to abandon the >>>>>>>> >desktop version? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google Groups is your friend. Earlier in this thread the link was >>>>>>>> posted >>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>> BusinessWeek article where the new Quicken Product Manager >>>>>>>> discussed his sunsetting plans for Quicken Desktop and plans to >>>>>>>> migrate those users to >>>>>>> Mint. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My mistake. I did not see the line about discontinuing the desktop >>>>>>> version five years out. Must have had my beer goggles on or >>>>>>> something. Thanks for pointing me to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think 5 years from now is a long time. Who knows what is going on >>>>>> then. I might retire fairly soon, and then perhaps I can reenter all >>>>>> my data into one of the Quicken competitors, such as they are. On >>>>>> the other hand, as long as I get at least an authoritative copy to >>>>>> keep on a home machine, much of what I do is downloading from >>>>>> internet sources anyway. Therefore, doing the "heavy" computing in >>>>>> the cloud should be OK. But I still like to see (at least previously >>>>>> entered) data without the necessity of an internet connection. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While it would be nice to have everything on the home pc, I could live >>>>> with it on the internet. Right now with windows and broadband, the >>>>> internet is interwoven with everyday computing so much that it's >>>>> almost seamless. >>>> >>>> Almost seamless. The problem is what happens if the "cloud" has an >>>> oopsie? And I need some data now? Even granting that the cloud should >>>> indeed have multiple backup redundancy, if the backbone goes down, or >>>> something gets scrambled between your screen and the data source, can >>>> you >>>> wait until things are back up? That presumes that your data are indeed >>>> secure. >>> >>> Good point. Hopefully they will have it all backed up and instantly >>> available. History shows that that isn't always the case though. I >>> find it frightening to put all my data in someone else's hands. But, >>> OTOH, even the best laid plans at home can fail too. It looks as though >>> we're always vulnerable. >> >> Yes, but much less so when we can maintain control over our own apps, our >> own data. To rely on someone else to maintain, secure and present our >> data for our use how and when it is needed is a frightening thought and >> will inevitably cost the user, who has no other choice (which is another >> issue relevant to the discussion). >> > > I don't see why Intuit doesn't keep Quicken desktop on indefinately. They > certainly have a captive clientele. It's arguably the best personal > financial softsware. They should see not to screw around with a good > thing. I think that Intuit follows a different logic than most of the world. They make an excellent product, but they do tend to often make decisions that seem to tell their customers to 'get screwed'. As has been discussed in other threads, Intuit's mistake may be that they announced their intent so early. This gives some enterprising fledgling (i.e., MoneyDance, etc.) the opportunity to step up to the plate and offer a comparable product that *will* stay on the desktop, thus capturing perhaps a large segment of the market. Mikel |