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From: Christian Brandt on 17 Dec 2009 19:20 Am 16.11.2009 11:58, schrieb Anssi Saari: > As far as I know, the problem with my request is that there's no > accurate fixed point SID model and portable devices don't usually have > floating point processors, so porting sidplay2 or resid is hard. The first SID-Emulators ran with 68000(a)7Mhz and not even using 10% CPU power, crude but usable. Even that old veteran was able to do 100kFLOPS with 40bit with software-floating-point which should be a lot more than reqired. It doesn't matter much if you programm in assembler, C, perl or Java because fast software-floating-point emulation is mostly language independant. Todays mobile phones usually run at 40 to 80Mhz with ten times the computing power and even running Java should deliver 1MFLOPS without a real FPU. Christian Brandt
From: David Murray on 21 Dec 2009 09:55 > > it would have been, if that propeller "emulation" wouldnt be fake as hell, > > and thus requires preprocessing the .sid file :) This is ridiculous. If you did a blind-test where the subject didn't know which was the real SID and which was the emulation, I bet there are fewer than 10 people on the entire planet that would be able to tell them apart with any degree of accuracy.
From: Groepaz on 22 Dec 2009 10:23 David Murray wrote: > >> > it would have been, if that propeller "emulation" wouldnt be fake as >> > hell, and thus requires preprocessing the .sid file :) > > This is ridiculous. If you did a blind-test where the subject didn't > know which was the real SID and which was the emulation, I bet there > are fewer than 10 people on the entire planet that would be able to > tell them apart with any degree of accuracy. given that the subject can select the tunes used for the test - it will be very easy to tell, trust me :) -- http://www.hitmen-console.org http://magicdisk.untergrund.net http://www.pokefinder.org http://ftp.pokefinder.org Easy to learn = hard to use, Easy to use = hard to learn, Easy to learn and use = won't do what you want it to, Powerful = hard to learn and use, Menu-driven = easy to learn. <Stephen Manes>
From: David Murray on 24 Dec 2009 22:36 > given that the subject can select the tunes used for the test - it will be > very easy to tell, trust me :) I'm not arguing with that, but my original statement still stands. How many people would be able to tell the difference? Lets assume you took people who were not into Commodore at all, then I would say you would have nobody that could tell. Then if you took people who were occasional commodore fans, I bet the result would still be 0. Then if you took the really hard-core fans I think the number might be 1 or 2 people. Then if you took the people who are hard-core commodore fans and also hard-core SID fans then you might get 7 or 8 people that can tell. After all, I consider myself a hard-core commodore fan and I can't tell the difference between VICE and the real thing. Now if I tried real hard and trained myself, maybe I could.
From: Groepaz on 25 Dec 2009 05:04
David Murray wrote: >> given that the subject can select the tunes used for the test - it will >> be very easy to tell, trust me :) > > I'm not arguing with that, but my original statement still stands. > How many people would be able to tell the difference? Lets assume you > took people who were not into Commodore at all, then I would say you > would have nobody that could tell. Then if you took people who were > occasional commodore fans, I bet the result would still be 0. Then if > you took the really hard-core fans I think the number might be 1 or 2 > people. Then if you took the people who are hard-core commodore fans > and also hard-core SID fans then you might get 7 or 8 people that can > tell. After all, I consider myself a hard-core commodore fan and I > can't tell the difference between VICE and the real thing. Now if I > tried real hard and trained myself, maybe I could. seriously, everyone can tell the difference easily. try the dracula tune mentioned earlier in the thread and listen to it on the old resid engine (which is already a lot better than this propeller emu thing). and yeah, by now its kinda hard to tell the difference between resid-fp and the real thing. because resid-fp became pretty damn good recently. thats completely irrelevant though, because we aren't discussing resid-fp, we are discussing that propeller emu thingy :) -- http://www.hitmen-console.org http://magicdisk.untergrund.net http://www.pokefinder.org http://ftp.pokefinder.org In a society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by "thou shalt not," the individual can practice a certain amount of eccentricity; when they are supposedly governed by "love" or "reason," he is under continuous pressure to make him behave exactly the same way as everyone else. <George Orwell> |