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From: John John - MVP on 7 Jan 2010 20:09 I'll post where ever I want and if you don't like it don't bother reading my posts. What good, pray tell, has a registry cleaner ever done for you? Like all the other believers out there you put some kind of blind faith or voodoo trust in them and because your registry cleaner has found and removed a couple of orphaned registry entries it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling and you think that it's doing something useful. Your question says it all, "WHAT, pray tell, has one done to any of YOUR systems that you could not undo with the backup files...". That is the gist of it all. Why bother with programs that at best do nothing other than give you a fuzzy feeling and that at worst will cause problems requiring you to restore registry files? That is if the registry cleaner can even restore its own backup (often they can't) or if it hasn't crippled the installation to the point where the Windows can't boot properly. These cleaners are next to utterly useless and the purposed non existent benefits parroted by the vendors and fans of these programs are simply not worth the risk of the real damages that these programs can and do sometimes cause. John thanatoid wrote: > John John - MVP <audetweld(a)nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in > news:#voSfK6jKHA.340(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > >> Don't bother with these utterly useless registry cleaners, >> they cause more harm than good. > > Don't top post. > > WHAT, pray tell, has one done to any of YOUR systems that you > could not undo with the backup files (which all the ones I have > used offer to create - and NONE of which I have ever had to use > myself)?
From: David H. Lipman on 7 Jan 2010 20:17 From: "thanatoid" <waiting(a)the.exit.invalid> | "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in | news:u0FmeX$jKHA.1264(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: >> From: "thanatoid" <waiting(a)the.exit.invalid> >>| "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in >>| news:#o9an94jKHA.5568(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: >>>> From: "Jackson" <jackdinsss(a)hotXmail.com> >>>>| Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for >>>>| Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I >>>>| believe it's freeware. >>>>| Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or >>>>| recomendations? >>>>| Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL >>>> Rulle of thumb... >>>> Do NOT use so-called Registry Cleaners ! >>| You "rulle" of thumb is as good as its spelling. >> Forget the BS spelling faux pas... >> It is contraindicated to use so-called Registry Cleaners ! | OK, I'll bite... Why? Because the need for one is a myth Use can cause MORE problems than they purport to solve. Problems that can be catastrophic. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
From: John John - MVP on 7 Jan 2010 20:22 Twayne wrote: > In news:%23voSfK6jKHA.340(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl, > John John - MVP <audetweld(a)nbnot.nb.ca> typed: >> Don't bother with these utterly useless registry cleaners, they cause >> more harm than good. > > Completely untrue. Posted from ignorance and to be a gopher for a small > group of registry cleaner libelists. Like any other program, just > source a reliable program from a reliable web site. They don't do any > harm or damage and they also allow you to undo any changes you make anyway. As usual and in your true form when ever these useless programs are exposed for what they are you are here to defend your beloved cleaners and to insult all who disagree with you. However, when people post seeking help with real problems caused by these cleaners you are nowhere to been seen. Most of us here have noticed that when it comes to posts about registry cleaners you have a case of selected blindness, and when you do reply to posts you usually leave your brains and manners parked somewhere else. John
From: Bruce Chambers on 7 Jan 2010 20:49 Jackson wrote: > Kim Komando's tip of the day (07 Jan) has good words for > Microcraft's jv Power tools for cleaning the registry. I > believe it's freeware. > > Has anyone used this program? Do you have any remarks or > recomendations? > Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), FL Why would you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry "cleaner?" If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe. The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change. Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be. More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk. Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits. I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. A little further reading on the subject: Why I don't use registry cleaners http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643 AumHa Forums � View topic - AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry Cleaner? http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
From: Bruce Chambers on 7 Jan 2010 23:26
Steve Hayes wrote: > > > So how should you clean the registry, then? > > And the correct answer to that question is: "You shouldn't." There's no sound technical reason for doing so, but abundant technical reasons for *not* doing so. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |