From: SMS on 18 Sep 2009 10:52
> Just what do you think is happening right now????????? Why do you think
> people are so PISSED????????
You have a very small number of people that are "PISSED" and they are
pissed because their handlers tell them to be pissed, not because they
have even the slightest understanding of what's going on. They aren't
out there reading The Economist to gain an in-depth understanding of the
complex issues, they're listening to lies from Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity,
Rush, and the Heritage Foundation. They have no capacity or desire to
even try to learn. Such is the state of the right-wing.
The rest of the population may not be too happy about the bailouts but
they have developed the critical thinking skills to understand why the
government could not let companies like AIG fail, why the major banks
could not be allowed to fail, and why manufacturers with billions of
dollars of pension liabilities were better bailed out than allowed to
fail. Yes, it's not fair. The alternative would have been far worse.
No one blames Obama for this mess. They may put too much of the blame on
George W. Bush since the political philosophy that led us down this road
was began by Ronald Reagan, who has near god-like status among the right
wing, and cannot be blamed for anything.
From: David Ruether on 18 Sep 2009 12:24
"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4ab17bb8$0$1654$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
> Rol_Lei Nut wrote:
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>> This is the very issue I have tried to explain to many of the blind followers of Fox and the talk show right. If they are
>>> working stiffs, and march in lockstep behind the Faux pied pipers, they are doing so in opposition to their best interests, not
>>> to mention the best interests of the nation.
>> Shhh.... Speaking the truth is "communist"!!!
> While it's true that they are acting against their, their children's, and the country's best economic interests, for many of them
> it goes beyond economics to g-d and guns (at least what they perceive g-d to want and at least what they perceive as a threat
> against their assault weapons).
Yes. Mythologies over facts, beliefs over science, instincts
over reality, nostalgia over accurate history, ideology over
pragmatism - with a resulting "wish to return to simpler times"
(read, "go back to when white middle class and higher males
generally ruled the roost - and were free to make rather a bit
of a mess of it for the rest"). Ugh. Give me a respect for
knowledge and institutions and for social and environmental
responsibility any day over "the good old days" (that way,
we just may survive a bit longer, and do it in greater
From: C J Campbell on 18 Sep 2009 12:38
On 2009-09-18 00:46:40 -0700, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> said:
> C J Campbell wrote:
>> And no -- bureaucratizing health care is unlikely to get rid of waste
>> and corruption. Far to the contrary. A national health care plan would
>> vastly increase waste and corruption.
> Really? In every other country with 'socialised' health care, they
> spend much less than the USA does.
They also ration their health care. If we included all the patients
from countries with socialized health care who come to the US for care
as part of the cost of their care, and subtracted it from what we
spend, I think the numbers would be dramatically reversed.
World Famous Flight Instructor
From: David Ruether on 18 Sep 2009 12:55
"Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message news:PLednSJvrajT6yzXnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4ab129bf$0$1589$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
>> Neil Harrington wrote:
>>> This morning's (Wednesday) Investor's Business Daily has a front-page headline saying:
>>> "45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting
>>> If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul.
>> IBD has as much credibility at Fox News, the New York Post, and the Washington Times.
> Yes, those news organizations have all reported on the Van Jones scandal, which the mainstream media took great pains to avoid any
> mention of -- with the result that when Jones resigned, people who didn't follow Fox News, the New York Post, the Washington Times
> et al. didn't even know what he was resigning for. That's the state of the news media today.
You have GOT to be joking!!! Obviously you have been watching only
Fox news and similar, which is why you missed the more balanced reporting
on this elsewhere...
> Much the same with the latest ACORN scandal, which stunk so badly that even Democrats in Congress finally voted to stop funding
> ACORN. But you never even heard about it from ABC, CBS or NBC, did you?
What was shown on tape from a *few* ACORN locations (but where
were the reportings of the ones that threw out these imposters?) was
disgusting and stupid, but here we have once again the old absolutist
and uncritical Right approach of the non-thinking "they all must be evil",
and, "let's throw out the baby with the bathwater".
> Here, read all about it from a functional news organization and learn something for a change:
So THIS is where you get your (false) information from, huh??? LOL,
and much more LOL! 8^)
Q. E. D., by yourself! 8^)
From: Ray Fischer on 18 Sep 2009 13:18
C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 2009-09-18 00:46:40 -0700, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> said:
>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>> And no -- bureaucratizing health care is unlikely to get rid of waste
>>> and corruption. Far to the contrary. A national health care plan would
>>> vastly increase waste and corruption.
>> Really? In every other country with 'socialised' health care, they
>> spend much less than the USA does.
>They also ration their health care.
As does the United States.
> If we included all the patients
>from countries with socialized health care who come to the US for care