The Value Of An Apology, At Least From A Republican's Perspective!!
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From: Douglas Johnson on 11 Sep 2009 13:17 "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote: >.....Can I blame the liberals for it? After all, it is a socialist idea. Can >anyone get food simply by putting their feet on a supermarkets property? If >so, then would you go for the idea today that food should be socialized? How >about getting a room for the night by simply setting foot on a hotel's >property? So you have a heart attack. The paramedics show up. Should they require proof of citizenship or ability to pay before starting CPR? Or before they transport you to the hospital? Should the hospital require it before they treat you? I don't think anybody thinks that's a good idea. That changes the discussion from whether the hospitals should be required to treat to what they should be required to treat without documentation. Current Federal law seems pretty reasonable on the subject. From http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0248.htm "The federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital that participates in Medicare (all hospitals in Connecticut do) and maintains a dedicated emergency department to (1) conduct an �appropriate screening exam� on anyone who comes to the hospital and asks to be treated and (2) stabilize any emergency condition it detects. If the hospital does not stabilize the condition, it can transfer the patient to another facility but must meet specific conditions before doing so. If it does stabilize the condition, it can discharge the patient, admit him or her to an inpatient room, or transfer the patient to another facility without meeting EMTALA's transfer conditions." So they have to evaluate and stabilize any emergency condition. They don't have to treat every hangnail. -- Doug
From: David Ruether on 11 Sep 2009 14:26 "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:P-qdnSpS1-lx8DTXnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)giganews.com... > "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message news:h8b2q8$5ms$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... >> "Bob G" <mrbobjames(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:94a4b97f-52ef-4dbe-935b-5f0597e68566(a)t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >>>> What he said was a lie, the health care will be provided to all tax >>>> payers and illegals are covered under the tax law so will receive free >>>> health care. Unless it was added all of the bills that have passed did >>>> not exclude illegals. >>> I don't know. Have we so lost our humanity that we think illegals are >>> animals? It's pathetic to hear a President promise to deny health care >>> to some people in order to appease Republicans. >> Yes - and that health care would not be "free" in any case, as it now is >> for many who currently (and expensively for the rest of us) use emergency >> room facilities in lieu of having a regular (and far less expensive) GP. >> As a tax-payer and health-care payer, I would much prefer to cover a >> $100 GP visit than a $1000 ER visit for an "illegal" concealed inside my >> bills. And I would also prefer that a communicable disease or potentially >> very serious and expensive condition be caught early through good care. >> It is short-sighted to see this in "us vs. them" terms when universal >> health care, including preventive care, helps us all. Or, for those against >> single payer health care (which is what SS Medicare is - and most are >> VERY happy with that, and its administrative costs are a small fraction >> of those of private insurance), look at the statistics. In EVERY country >> that has a single-payer system of health care, the average life span is >> greater than ours(!), and the cost of the health care system is less than >> ours(!). Yet the "know-nothings" hide their heads in the sand and mutter >> idiotic things like, "socialism"... >> --DR > So you think that the only way to improve our health care system is to socialize it? You are ready and willing to completely give > up on any and all ideas to have a decent privatized health care system here in the US? Why not give real capitalism a chance? If > you were an MD, would you really want to work for the government? How about a law that makes everybody have a health insurance > policy, together with opening up the insurance companies to cross state lines and sell their policies to anyone who applies for > one? A real free enterprise system, IOW. It is a pleasure to read an opposing post that is reasonable, and especially civil. I applaud your comments and manner, although I may not agree with your point of view. I take my health coverage from a "socialized" source, the single-payer government system with my Medicare plan, and this has proven far more efficient in terms of overhead, distribution of services, and quality of treatment compared with conditions that existed before Medicare and current market conditions for those unlucky enough not to yet have Medicare available. While a few "tweaks" may help with our current system, it is still so clearly evident that our highly-touted medical system (which is not available to all), costs both far more per person and it also results in a very noticeably shorter average life span than is the case in EVERY other industrialized nation that has that "boogeyman" of systems, "socialized medicine". Never mind that it really does work very well, and really doesn't remove any personal control or choices over anything. It is time to look honestly at all the options (including ones you suggest) and see what really does or doesn't work the best for covering the most people and supplying the best care at the most reasonable cost. The nonsense from the Right has obviously been intended to serve to prevent this honest discussion - and the stony "lumpishness" demonstrated by most of the Republicans during Obama's speech illustrates the likely outcome of all this. It will be the Democrats alone who pass (or not) any important advances in the area of improving our medical coverage in this country with worthwhile legislation. --DR
From: Twibil on 11 Sep 2009 15:34 On Sep 11, 11:40 am, Savageduck <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: > > >> My search for an ugly place continues, though. There must be one somewhere. > > > Ever been to Alabama? > > Try Avenal, California, well described as the rectum of the World. A > perfect community for the placement of its State Prison. Trona is worse. *MUCH* worse!
From: Bill Graham on 11 Sep 2009 16:01 "Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Karstlenscap(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7guhkgF2ri88vU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Bill Graham wrote: >> >> "SPAM.WATCH" <fart(a)thefreakspeechsore.com> wrote in message >> news:h8b588$irb$1(a)tioat.net... >>> USA is both the third largest nation, and yet is still a third rate >>> nation. >>> >>> >> Easy to say by someone who has never been both here and overseas. I have >> been to most continents, and I can tell you that I am now living (Salem, >> Oregon) in one of the best places in the world. The weather is beautiful, >> trees everywhere, and our supers are overflowing with fresh fruits and >> veggies, and wonderfully fresh meats, too. My health care is top drawer >> all the way, too. I am one hour's drive from the Pacific ocean, and >> about an hour in the other direction to mountains and great skiing. I am >> an amateur musician and there are so many good bands in this area that I >> have trouble deciding which ones to participate in. I could play anything >> from classical to Dixieland every night of the week. I have been to >> Europe, Australia, and Japan and China, and there has been no place where >> the living is as nice as I have it right now. My only real fear is that >> the liberal socialists will trash it for my grandchildren. But I have >> lived top drawer all the way. > > Your description of "paradise" could be of thousands of places around the > world. In the places you've been to, you obviously haven't had the time, > desire, open-mindedness or perspicacity to see their good sides. Oh, I saw their good sides, all right. They just weren't near as good as the "good sides" here at home.....Sorry about that.
From: Neil Harrington on 11 Sep 2009 16:07
"Larry Thong" <larry_thong(a)shitstring.com> wrote in message news:EKWdnfDeK_e0TTXXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d(a)supernews.com... > It seems the meaning and value of the word "apology" has been watered down > to now mean "I'm sorry I got caught for doing whatever I did but was very > happy doing it up and till the point I got caught." It's sad that this > practice is commonplace with business's, politicians, investment brokers, > religious figures, criminals alike. > > Good ole boy Joe Wilson, a Republican, called out "you lie" during Obama's > speech and shortly apologizes after getting called out over it. He apologized for calling it out, which was a rude thing to do, but what he called out was the truth. Obama was lying. Since Obama lies half the time and breaks his promises the other half, I suppose it can be argued that Wilson's calling it out was unnecessary. > It's sad to see these juvenile actions taken by Wilson and the Republicans > when everyone knows Obama is very passionate and takes seriously the > problem of health care reform. He is the only President in history that > is actually doing something about removing the waste and corruption in the > health care system. Give Obama a round of applause!!! This is a joke, right? You HAVEN'T SEEN "waste and corruption in the health care system" until ObamaCare becomes the law, if that ever actually happens. Obama wants what he's been saying he's wanted for years, a 100% wholly government-run health care system. That and his payback to the union bosses who spent millions getting him elected, is what ObamaCare is all about. This would bring us the same famous government efficiency and cost savings that we already have in Medicare (steadily rising costs and it's still broke), Medicaid (steadily rising costs and it's still broke) and the U.S. Postal Service (steadily rising costs and it's still broke). And that's not even getting into all the immense fraud and waste for which Medicare and Medicaid have also become famous. |