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From: Uwe Bonnes on 14 Mar 2010 08:26 rickman <gnuarm(a)gmail.com> wrote: .... > As an example, show me a part from Xilinx or Altera that sells for > under $10 in qty 100. I don't care what size, but an FPGA, not a > CPLD. I am using the smallest part I can get (although I would like > bigger, it just doesn't come in the 100 TQFP) and am paying under $10 > making batches of 100-200 boards at a time. I couldn't find that > price anywhere else but Lattice. The XC3S50A-4VQG100C sells for 5.52$ at Digikey -- Uwe Bonnes bon(a)elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt --------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------
From: whygee on 14 Mar 2010 09:04 hi, rickman wrote: > What part of this is hard to understand? none. > Heck, I get my share of contacts from people who just want free > advice. I have to cut them off at some point and continue to look for > paying customers. I understand. I can't count the neighbours who asked me to repair their stuff... I keep repeating "I design, I don't repair others' stuff". good luck, > Rick yg -- http://ygdes.com / http://yasep.org
From: rickman on 14 Mar 2010 11:25 On Mar 14, 8:26 am, Uwe Bonnes <b...(a)elektron.ikp.physik.tu- darmstadt.de> wrote: > rickman <gnu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > ... > > > As an example, show me a part from Xilinx or Altera that sells for > > under $10 in qty 100. I don't care what size, but an FPGA, not a > > CPLD. I am using the smallest part I can get (although I would like > > bigger, it just doesn't come in the 100 TQFP) and am paying under $10 > > making batches of 100-200 boards at a time. I couldn't find that > > price anywhere else but Lattice. > > The XC3S50A-4VQG100C sells for 5.52$ at Digikey Ok, the way I made the statement I stand corrected. Someone else emailed me about Actel parts in this price range. But these parts have half the logic of the Lattice part. The Actel part in the same size range is half again as pricey and the Xilinx part in the same size range is about the same price, but lacking the config memory. The point is that using an older process (130 nm) Lattice is competing with products built on newer processes (90 nm Spartan 3A, et al). Rick
From: rickman on 14 Mar 2010 11:27 On Mar 14, 9:04 am, whygee <y...(a)yg.yg> wrote: > hi, > > rickman wrote: > > What part of this is hard to understand? > > none. > > > Heck, I get my share of contacts from people who just want free > > advice. I have to cut them off at some point and continue to look for > > paying customers. > > I understand. > I can't count the neighbours who asked me to repair their stuff... > I keep repeating "I design, I don't repair others' stuff". > > good luck, Yeah, I also get people asking me about their house wiring! :^)
From: -jg on 14 Mar 2010 16:39
On Mar 15, 4:25 am, rickman <gnu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 14, 8:26 am, Uwe Bonnes <b...(a)elektron.ikp.physik.tu- > > darmstadt.de> wrote: > > rickman <gnu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > ... > > > > As an example, show me a part from Xilinx or Altera that sells for > > > under $10 in qty 100. I don't care what size, but an FPGA, not a > > > CPLD. I am using the smallest part I can get (although I would like > > > bigger, it just doesn't come in the 100 TQFP) and am paying under $10 > > > making batches of 100-200 boards at a time. I couldn't find that > > > price anywhere else but Lattice. > > > The XC3S50A-4VQG100C sells for 5.52$ at Digikey > > Ok, the way I made the statement I stand corrected. Someone else > emailed me about Actel parts in this price range. But these parts > have half the logic of the Lattice part. The Actel part in the same > size range is half again as pricey and the Xilinx part in the same > size range is about the same price, but lacking the config memory. That depends on where you set the threshold. We have an app, that needs PLL+BlockRam, and not a huge amount of logic. - same package dictates as yours. On this yardstick, Actel are now in front with the ProASCI3 at $5.26/100+, but the smallest Lattice LFXP3C is $10.93/100+, the Lattice LCMXO1200C is $11.50, whilst the XP2-5 is higher in price and package. Xilinx need Loader memory added to their OK price, and the -3AN fails the package test. Actel also have to other choices, in the same package, at $7.23 and $8.94, so have some upgrade elasticity. [Lattice show just the one choice] > The point is that using an older process (130 nm) Lattice is competing > with products built on newer processes (90 nm Spartan 3A, et al). Yes, and your example shows a gap : As the FPGAs push higher in pin- counts and packages, they leave a widening tail-end, where you need a low-mfg-cost package, but a CPLD does not cut it. I believe there is another market opening, for a device that has more ram, but not massive I/O counts. -jg |