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From: jasee on 12 Jul 2010 06:24 <spike1(a)freenet.co.uk> wrote in message news:h07qg7-hpr.ln1(a)librarian.sky.com... > And so it was that in the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy, jasee > <jasee(a)btinternet.com> uttered the following pearls of wisdom: >> spike1(a)freenet.co.uk wrote: >>> And so it was that in the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy, >>> jasee <jasee(a)btinternet.com> uttered the following pearls of wisdom: >>>>> Also, they will no longer be on the hardware upgrade treadmill in >>>>> order to be ABLE to use the latest microsoft pap. >>>> >>>> But will their new hardware work with Linux? >>> >>> 1: most likely, yes. If they did their homework first, definitely yes. >>> 2: why would they need new hardware? >> >> (1) For a server role, 'most likely' won't do, you need just to know. > > As I said, and you chose to ignore, if they did their homework first, > which > should be part of the whole migration strategy anyway, definitely yes. I didn't ignore it, I simply quoted your words! > >> (2) For users (for instance) even if M$ is sidelined, hardware >> manufacturers >> need to continue to sell products, so hardware will inevitably change. >> Also, >> more data is being sent at ever higher rates, hardware needs to support >> this. The treadmill doesn't change, it's just a different one. > > Linux has support for 10gig ethernet. > Whole machines don't need to be replaced, hard disks and network cards can > be upgraded in existing boxes unless they're REALLY old and slow. The costs of doing that can't be underestimated for it support. Network cards don't wear out, of course hard disks do, but also cpu have a limited life and graphic cards particularly when they're attached with less effective silver ball solder connections. A machine will require a thorough removal of dust. On a laptop, the keyboard may need to be replaced (worn of damaged keys) etc. Motherboards develop capacitor faults. Power supplies with more integrated components are disposable items. Even TFT displays minimature florescents have a limited life and energising units fail. A common fail point is the female power supply connection on a laptop. Simply getting to that can easily take several hours. > > And even if they are, for many uses they're still more than adequate. > IF they're capable of running windows 7 they're more than capable of > running > linux much more efficiently. I agree in lots of ways, for the moment, tesco shouldn't have set the example, and the university of Kent, some government department set very bad examples by going to Vista (at the time) on 'environmental' grounds. Ignoring the fact that they would have had to junk millions of laptops (for instance) easily capable of running Linux, not to mention the pcs.
From: Hadron on 12 Jul 2010 06:26 "jasee" <jasee(a)btinternet.com> writes: > > The costs of doing that can't be underestimated for it support. Network > cards don't wear out, of course hard disks do, but also cpu have a > limited Network cards do indeed wear out.
From: Chris Ahlstrom on 12 Jul 2010 07:00 Hadron stopped playing his vuvuzela long enough to say: > "jasee" <jasee(a)btinternet.com> writes: > >> The costs of doing that can't be underestimated for it support. Network >> cards don't wear out, of course hard disks do, but also cpu have a >> limited > > Network cards do indeed wear out. Indeed: http://www.aei-it.com/hardware/gigenet/x1000.htm Mean Time Before Failure (MTBF): 147 (Years) http://www3.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/pro10016/sb/cs-008182.htm Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF) Calculated MTBF is 356K hours. (That's about 14800 days or about 1200 years). -- This is where the bloodthirsty license agreement is supposed to go, explaining that Interactive Easyflow is a copyrighted package licensed for use by a single person, and sternly warning you not to pirate copies of it and explaining, in detail, the gory consequences if you do. We know that you are an honest person, and are not going to go around pirating copies of Interactive Easyflow; this is just as well with us since we worked hard to perfect it and selling copies of it is our only method of making anything out of all the hard work. If, on the other hand, you are one of those few people who do go around pirating copies of software you probably aren't going to pay much attention to a license agreement, bloodthirsty or not. Just keep your doors locked and look out for the HavenTree attack shark. -- License Agreement for Interactive Easyflow
From: grinch on 12 Jul 2010 08:32 The Hooded Plumber wrote: > > If you actually worked in Information Technology, you would realize > that hardware is a small portion of the cost. > Can you say tax deduction? > Migration costs are huge. > Training costs are huge. > The potential for Linux programs not interfacing well is there. > Can you say"switch to Linux and you will be fucked". > > Ask Munich. > > You sound like a cocksucking amateur. Where as you sound like an windows admin,sorry to be so rude but then you started it. Just because you don't know how to make the change over,that does not mean IT literate people can't do it,as the below proves.Really it completely destroys your entire argument. I am a Cisco engineer and of all the operating systems I have to use windows is the biggest pain in the back-end. http://www.osor.eu/news/fr-gendarmerie-saves-millions-with-open-desktop-and- web-applications Short extract from the above which proves it can and has been done The French Gendarmerie's gradual migration to a complete open source desktop and web applications has saved millions of euro, says Lieutenant-Colonel Xavier Guimard. "This year the IT budget will be reduced by 70 percent. This will not affect our IT systems."
From: Hadron on 12 Jul 2010 08:45
Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc(a)launchmodem.com> writes: > Hadron stopped playing his vuvuzela long enough to say: > >> "jasee" <jasee(a)btinternet.com> writes: >> >>> The costs of doing that can't be underestimated for it support. Network >>> cards don't wear out, of course hard disks do, but also cpu have a >>> limited >> >> Network cards do indeed wear out. > > Indeed: > > http://www.aei-it.com/hardware/gigenet/x1000.htm > > Mean Time Before Failure (MTBF): 147 (Years) > > http://www3.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/pro10016/sb/cs-008182.htm > > Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF) > > Calculated MTBF is 356K hours. > > (That's about 14800 days or about 1200 years). What is it with COLA "advocates" and maths? First we have Rasker telling us that Linux netbooks are outselling the Windows one "and this link proves it" and now Chris is FAILing basic arithmetic. Firstly MTBF means nothing to the user whose card breaks down a week later. Secondly : the first was a "server class" card. Not a bucket card in the average desktop. Thirdly : 356K hours == 356000 hours == 356000/8765 == 40 years. Whoops! Advocate claim : 1200 years Reality : 40 years Factor of fudge used by "Advocate" : 30 Lets hope Chris isn't involved in HW procurement as well as office document corruption .... |