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From: tony cooper on 17 Nov 2009 08:26 On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:08:05 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: >tony cooper wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:00:02 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >> wrote: >> >>>>> still drives on the left. However >>>>> it is a real mess and unlike the A4/Letter change the UK with it's >>>>> modern road systems will find it impossible to change to the right... >>>>> >>>> I see. The UK can't change their driving habits, >>> Not possible now. Too many purpose designed roads >>> >>>> but you expect the >>>> US to change their measurement system to conform to yours. >>> No not to mine but the whole world except the US >> >> The point is that you say it's impossible for one little island to >> change from driving on the left to driving on the right, but expect >> the entire US - which dwarfs that island in size and population - to >> change their entire system of weights and measures. > >By that logic, the USA should switch everything to what the Chinese use. You really don't understand what was said, do you? -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Tzortzakakis Dimitrios on 17 Nov 2009 09:12 ? "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> ?????? ??? ?????? news:hdscqr1qvb(a)news5.newsguy.com... > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios wrote: >> ? "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> ?????? ??? ?????? >> news:gX++zyMutWALFAiV(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>> In message <gZGdnYq9CITE_5zWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil >>> Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes >>>> >>>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >>>> news:UWxjDpHSvVALFAUi(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>>>> In message <c-CdnXIhyIZ0ypzWnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil >>>>> Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes >>>>>> >>>>>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:vhLdubL4YBALFAxO(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>> In message <1e00g51800npsuco24380ml1u76jrfa7lf(a)4ax.com>, tony >>>>>>> cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >>>>>>>> On 15 Nov 2009 06:48:13 GMT, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:03:59 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton" >>>>>>>>>> <nospamclayton(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> US units are a shambolic mess, inconsistent with each other >>>>>>>>>>> and almost >>>>>>>>>>> completely irrational for dealing with the real world. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And yet we manage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Only just. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The world that each of us lives in is the "real world". We, >>>>>>>>>> who live >>>>>>>>>> in the US, have no problem dealing with our system. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "No problem"?? How many yards in a mile? How many feet in a >>>>>>>>> quarter mile? How many teaspoons in a cup? If you don't know >>>>>>>>> those offhand then you obviously have problems dealing with >>>>>>>>> the system. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have a legitimate example of how we have a problem with >>>>>>>> the system, then state it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interfacing with the rest of the world. >>>>>> >>>>>> What specifically is the problem? >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units >>> >>>>> >>>>> For example the whole world uses ISO A4 and the US uses US >>>>> letter.... so when the US want to communicate with the rest of the >>>>> world it has to use A4 and for internal use uses Letter. >>>> >>>> Why? I have sent letters to European companies using our letter >>>> size and received replies from them, probably on their A4 size >>>> (they're close enough >>>> that I never noticed any difference). Where's the problem? >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size >>> >>> http://betweenborders.com/wordsmithing/a4-vs-us-letter/ >>> >>> For a lot of Official use it has to be on A sizes. Also Letter size >>> advertising does not fit standard size literature racks. It is >>> getting better as more of the US uses International standards. >>> >>>>> Dates are another problem the whole world bar the USA uses >>>>> DD/MM/YY and the US uses MM/DD/YY it causes problems. >>>> >>>> Again, not a problem. If I write "November 16" and you write "16 >>>> November," >>>> do either of us misunderstand the other? Besides, your statement is >>>> not quite correct. >>> >>> True but if I write 9/11/2001 when is it? November or September? Well >>> everywhere except the US it is November. Though obviously "9/11" has >>> a life of it's own. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 >>> >>>> MM/DD/YY is our standard civilian form, but our military has >>>> used DD/MM/YY for many years. >>> >>> It had to as the US military needed to talk to people other than US >>> civilians. As I said it is only a problem where the US wants to talk >>> to the rest of the world. If having the worlds largest army does not >>> help then eventually you will have to change.... BTW that is why the >>> US now uses 9mm rather than .45 and NATO uses 556 rather than 7.62 >>> >> We used .45 browning pistols, the BMG .50 cartridge (API) and the >> standard >> 7.62 (.30) NATO caliber. 5.56 is a smaller calliber (I think .20) >> which is supposed to be more humane to the target, thus the person >> being shot. > > 5.56 is also known as .223 Remington (there is a very tiny dimensional > difference in the case that might cause problems with a few firearms, but > it > was originally a civilian cartridge) and it is used not because it is > "more > humane to the target" but because it has less recoil than 7.62mm NATO, > thus > allowing controllable full auto fire hand-held, and is lighter, thus > allowing soldiers to carry more ammunition. Note that the first time > 5.56mm > was put into service it was by the US military in Vietnam, it's not > something that the US adapted as a result of pressure from somebody in the > EU. No other nation wanted anything to do with it until the US got the > bugs > out of the M-16, which, as initially issued, was pretty poor. > I was told so by officers, and they said that wherever a 7.62 bullet hits you you will most certainly die, not so like with 5.56. How many rounds does a soldier need to carry?Normal GIs carry their G3A3 (5 1/2 kilos), bayonet and 5 magazines each 20 rounds. Each machine gunner the HK11 (8 1/2 kilos) and 13 magazines with 20 rounds but no bayonet. > The 9mm pistol was adopted by the US military mainly due to the difficulty > of training soldiers to shoot the .45 accurately--again it trades power > for > controllability and lighter ammunition. The 9mm cartridge had been in use > worldwide for around a half a century at the time so why develop a new > one? > I did 5 out of 6 with the .45 and I wear glasses and am very short-sighted (There were 6 rounds in the mag and 5 hit the target).Indeed the .45 recoils a lot. The same the G3A3 which is much lighter than the HK11 and they share the same round. I did 70% from 300 meters with the HK11. Note that the sights of the .50 BMG are etched in yards. Unlike the (european) MG3 machine gun which are in meters. >> That was the greek mechanized infantry. Of course, all >> the fluids are measured in liters, the tank (G 127 "Leonidas" armored >> fighting vehicle) has 2 tanks with each 181 liters of diesel which >> give it an endurance of 520 km. >> >> >>>> That causes no problems here either. My >>>> sister, an ex-Navy employee retired for several years, still writes >>>> dates that way. >>> >>> There is a joke about that. >>> >>> Small split military /civil airfield in the US... >>> >>> Unidentified aircraft: Tower, Time check please! >>> Tower: Civil or Military? >>> Unidentified aircraft: What difference does it make? >>> Tower: If you are Army it is 15:00 if you are Civil it is 3 O'clock. >>> Unidentified aircraft: We are Marines. >>> Tower: It's Mid Afternoon! >>> :-))) >>> >>> >>>> And don't the Japanese still use YY/MM/DD? That is really the most >>>> logical system of all, since it automatically sorts dates correctly >>>> which neither our methods nor yours do. If we're going to change at >>>> all, we should change >>>> to the Japanese system. >>> Not at all That is the ISO system >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format#Date_format >>> >>> There is bug endian (year first) and smal end (day first) but in >>> either case it is D M Y or Y M D in various forms. But always in >>> unit progression. >>> >>> >>>>> It is no conscience to Americans who only interact with other >>>>> Americans but as soon as Americans have to interact externally it >>>>> will cause Americans problems, time and money. >>>> >>>> It never has so far, that I know of. You are straining mightily to >>>> produce an argument for an insupportable position. >>> >>> It is the reason why until very recently no one knew what had >>> happened to Glen Miller. >>> >>> The whilst the US continues to work to different standards to the >>> rest of the world there will be problems where conversions and >>> interfaces occur. It cost Glenn Miller his life. > -- Tzortzakakis Dimitrios major in electrical engineering mechanized infantry reservist hordad AT otenet DOT gr
From: Tzortzakakis Dimitrios on 17 Nov 2009 09:51 ? "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> ???a?e st? �???�a news:3OmdnRx419o02Z_WnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Neil Harrington" <not(a)home.today> wrote in message > news:DbydnWauBrt3qZ_WnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >> news:2009111615403258821-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>> On 2009-11-16 15:26:17 -0800, "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> >>> said: >>> >>>> >>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >>>> news:2009111615045779149-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>>>> On 2009-11-16 14:23:21 -0800, "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> >>>>> said: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fHCx3BOf+WALFAF1(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>> In message <rs2dncQadslz9ZzWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil >>>>>>> Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:rWFsDoKCAWALFACL(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>>>>>>>> In message <e4ydnf8Ny7zCwJzWnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil >>>>>>>>> Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:tvGdnSo6OsafMJ3WnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:2009111517302780278-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2009-11-15 17:24:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> said: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:2009111517220470933-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>>>>>>>>>> Well! - Sorrrrrry. I used to have a colt auto chambered in 9 mm. >>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> the most reliable auto I ever had. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can't beat the good old 9mm, but you'll never convince .45 >>>>>>>>>> fanciers >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> that. They all have an abiding faith in those pumpkin rollers and >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> impervious to reason. ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Having used both the answer is "it depends" on why you are >>>>>>>>> carrying >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> pistol and the conditions. In the 70's when I used a pistol the >>>>>>>>> .45 >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> a better choice for operational reasons for urban work. For battle >>>>>>>>> field >>>>>>>>> work a 9mm. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you mean because of stopping power vs. firepower, I think the >>>>>>>> much-vaunted stopping power of the .45 is largely a myth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sort of. In the 1970's body armour was not common. Certainly the >>>>>>> terrorists we were up against did not have any. However there were a >>>>>>> lot >>>>>>> of civilians in the urban setting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A .45 would hit the target but not usually go through and hit >>>>>>> anything >>>>>>> else. The faster narrower 9mm tended to go through and come out the >>>>>>> other side thus causing collateral damage. >>>>>> >>>>>> This of course depends on the load used. In the case of a "Geneva >>>>>> Convention-approved" full metal jacket bullet, of course that would >>>>>> be >>>>>> true. >>>>>> In the case of a jacketed hollow point, I doubt it. >>>>> >>>>> Talking from a Law enforcement point of view, a hollow point round >>>>> such as >>>>> a Hydra-Shok with +P loads in 38SP, 9mm, 40 S&W or 45 ACP give an >>>>> enormous >>>>> transmission of energy into the target. As a double tap into that >>>>> target >>>>> is more likely than not, going to eliminate that particular threat. >>>>> >>>>> Indoors in urban situations where there might be over penetration >>>>> issues, >>>>> frangible ammo such as Glaser or MagSafe rounds are very effective. >>>>> They >>>>> actually have a far more effective energy transmission and stopping >>>>> power >>>>> than some hollow points, as they expend all their energy on contact, >>>>> rather than using that energy to penetrate. >>>>> >>>>> Naturally Frangibles and hollow points are not Geneva Convention >>>>> friendly. >>>>> >>>>> I use both Federal Premium Law Enforcement +P Tactical Hydro-Shok and >>>>> COR-BON +P Glaser, in 40 S&W and 45 ACP. >>>>> >>>>> When just burning up brass and punching paper I go through a lot of >>>>> Winchester "White box" FMJ and reloads. >>>> >>>> Probably 95% of everything I've ever fired (except rimfires of course) >>>> has >>>> been my own handloads. I handloaded for everything I owned -- except a >>>> French Model 1935A automatic that I never could figure out what to do >>>> with >>>> and finally sold. I even handloaded for a French Mle. 1892 8mm >>>> revolver, >>>> using .32-20 cases trimmed back to suit and sized in a .30 Carbine die, >>>> then >>>> loaded with lubed but unsized bullets from an ancient Lyman mould made >>>> for >>>> the .32-44 target revolver. Now that was interesting! No loading data >>>> for >>>> that round of course, and the Mle. 1892 was actually a black powder >>>> cartridge (almost certainly the very last black powder round still in >>>> service use in World War II), but I just winged it with about 2 gr. of >>>> Bullseye and it worked fine. >>>> >>>> I'm sorry I sold that Mle. 1892. Perfectly useless of course, but an >>>> interesting piece. Cylinder swung out to the right. Odd people, the >>>> French. >>> >>> I haven't reloaded in years, and then it was mainly 38 SP target loads. >>> I am still sitting on several 100 plastic 38 boxes and 1000s of cases, >>> primers, etc, etc. >> >> I haven't done any loading for years either, chiefly because I've done >> very little shooting in the last several years. I still have my Dillon >> press and all components in my walk-in closet, and I'll get around to >> doing some sooner or later. I still have a pretty good stock of >> handloads. >> >> My problem now will probably be finding a good place to shoot. I have >> "lifetime" privileges (because I was one of those who helped finance it) >> to the state association's pistol range, which is next to (and on land >> leased from) a commercial range which is within 10 miles of me. The >> problem there is that the lease has long expired, and the last time I was >> out there the commercial range owner was already getting grumpy about >> shooters using that range for free instead of paying to shoot at his >> range. And the range was originally intended just for competition >> shooters in registered matches and tournaments, which I have not been one >> of since the '70s. And that range owner is already facing legal and >> financial problems because of homeowners' complaints about bullets >> arriving on their property, even though there's probably at least a mile >> and a good-sized hill between the range and their homes. It's hard to >> imagine anyone at the range shooting over the hill, but who knows. Since >> I haven't been out there for a few years I don't know what the situation >> is now, but my guess is my "lifetime" privileges have expired. >> > If you want to continue shooting fine weapons at a very reasonable price, > consider buying yourself an air pistol. They are extremely well made, the > ammo is very cheap, and you can fire them in your living room and/or > basement without disturbing the neighbors. They are also more accurate > than firearms. Their initial expense is greater. (a good one will run you > over a thousand dollars) but after that, the ammo is very cheap. (around a > penny each round) Seconded. I have a comet (spanish) rifle that cost me 25,000 drachmas (75 euros) in 1999, and you get a box of rounds for 10 euros (500 IIRC). It has a rifled barrel, and adjustable sights. -- Tzortzakakis Dimitrios major in electrical engineering mechanized infantry reservist hordad AT otenet DOT gr
From: Savageduck on 17 Nov 2009 10:21 On 2009-11-17 06:12:48 -0800, "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <noone(a)nospam.com> said: > <------------------------------------Le > Snip-----------------------------------------------> > I did 5 out of 6 with the .45 and I wear glasses and am very short-sighted > (There were 6 rounds in the mag and 5 hit the target).Indeed the .45 recoils > a lot. The same the G3A3 which is much lighter than the HK11 and they > share the same round. I did 70% from 300 meters with the HK11. > Note that the sights of the .50 BMG are etched in yards. Unlike the > (european) MG3 machine gun which are in meters. Wearing glasses and being short sighted shouldn't be a problem. You should be focused on the front sight not the target. With a little practice this is what you should be able to do with a .45. http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Target-0076c.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck
From: Chris H on 17 Nov 2009 10:46
In message <4b02a037$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> writes >tony cooper wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:00:02 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >> wrote: >> >>>>> still drives on the left. However >>>>> it is a real mess and unlike the A4/Letter change the UK with it's >>>>> modern road systems will find it impossible to change to the right... >>>>> >>>> I see. The UK can't change their driving habits, >>> Not possible now. Too many purpose designed roads >>> >>>> but you expect the >>>> US to change their measurement system to conform to yours. >>> No not to mine but the whole world except the US >> The point is that you say it's impossible for one little island to >> change from driving on the left to driving on the right, but expect >> the entire US - which dwarfs that island in size and population - to >> change their entire system of weights and measures. > >By that logic, the USA should switch everything to what the Chinese use. It will do given time.... about 2 decades :-) -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |