From: nospam on
In article <70lp26hrhs8b8h56vrh3fjb9ummnno2nph(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<jncl1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >> You have to be making assumptions because you have NO direct experience
> >> with my model camera, and because you're projecting your own limitations
> >> onto me, which likewise isn't valid.
>
> >As I said before, from years of experience of using that class of camera,
> >and knowing its limitations.
>
> What other cameras may or may not do is irrelevant.

it's not irrelevant at all.

> You do NOT know my camera's limitations because you've NEVER used it.

nor do you know the limitations of other cameras because you've never
used them.

> You likewise do NOT know my abilities and limitations.

your ability to argue endlessly and twist words to further your agenda
knows no bounds.

> All you DO know are your own abilities and limitations.

likewise.

> I know how to properly drive a race car. (I have a competition
> license.) I'm guessing you do not. That's no comment on the race car.
> That's not even a comment on you. It just means you don't currently
> have the ability to properly drive a race car, not that you couldn't
> acquire that capability if you had the desire and opportunity.

race cars are completely irrelevant.

> It's unfortunate that you don't currently have the ability use certain
> cameras effectively, but that doesn't mean others have the same
> limitations, or that you couldn't learn how to use them effectively if
> you have the desire and opportunity.

knock off the pompous attitude.

> I'm not trying to tell you what you can and cannot do with your camera.
> Why are you so arrogant and rude as to try to tell me what I can and
> cannot do with my camera even though you've never used the camera and
> have never seen how I use it?

you are trying to twist a comparison of two different technologies into
personal skill.

are you that desperate?
From: David J Taylor on
"nospam" <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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[]
> you are trying to twist a comparison of two different technologies into
> personal skill.
>
> are you that desperate?

I should have learnt from last time I tried to have a reasoned discussion
with John how quickly it deteriorates.

Cheers,
David

From: nospam on
In article <i0ioql$9mb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, David J Taylor
<david-taylor(a)blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> > you are trying to twist a comparison of two different technologies into
> > personal skill.
> >
> > are you that desperate?
>
> I should have learnt from last time I tried to have a reasoned discussion
> with John how quickly it deteriorates.

it's the same game every time. he'll twist it into something else and
play semantic games, then claim ad hominem and end the discussion, or
sometimes his exit strategy is saying we'll agree to disagree.

by him calling your skills into question (without ever having seen your
work, i might add), he is guilty of the very sin he likes to attribute
to others:

'Those who have evidence will present their evidence, whereas
those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'
From: John Navas on
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:03:47 +0100, in
<i0ioql$9mb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, "David J Taylor"
<david-taylor(a)blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>"nospam" <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:010720101102295613%nospam(a)nospam.invalid...
>[]
>> you are trying to twist a comparison of two different technologies into
>> personal skill.
>>
>> are you that desperate?
>
>I should have learnt from last time I tried to have a reasoned discussion
>with John how quickly it deteriorates.

If discourtesy and disrespect are your idea of "reasoned discussion"
then we must be speaking different languages.

I've done my best to be polite and respectful of you in this discussion,
your lack of ability to use the controls on my camera notwithstanding,
but your continued discourtesy and mischaracterizations are making that
more and more difficult.

Suit yourself.

--
Best regards,
John

"Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level
and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman
From: nospam on
In article <6e1q261t7nb15lpn36hetlsmpvg3krnpjl(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<jncl1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >I should have learnt from last time I tried to have a reasoned discussion
> >with John how quickly it deteriorates.
>
> If discourtesy and disrespect are your idea of "reasoned discussion"
> then we must be speaking different languages.

or that you are blind to your own hypocrisy.

> I've done my best to be polite and respectful of you in this discussion,
> your lack of ability to use the controls on my camera notwithstanding,
> but your continued discourtesy and mischaracterizations are making that
> more and more difficult.

how is it polite to say someone lacks skills?