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From: Bruce Hagen on 1 Jul 2010 10:07 "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message news:i0hdrs$pe2$1(a)news.albasani.net... > Bruce Hagen wrote: > >> VanguardLH wrote ... >> >>> Cal Who wrote: >> >>> Also, Windows Defender is dead. It was replaced with Microsoft >>> Security >>> Essentials (MSE). >> >> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a >> replacement unless you are running MSE. When using an AV other than MSE >> like Avast, AVG, etc, Windows Defender is still alive and well with >> continuous updating. > > The OP said they don't have Windows Defender. Why would you suggest > installing WD when MSE is its replacement (includes WD plus the AV)? > What they should get now is MSE, not Windows Defender. > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/default.aspx > > Going to: > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/default.aspx > > and searching on Windows Defender finds the following download page: > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/default.aspx > > So it's still available for download. The lifecycle page at: > > http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11952 > > says it doesn't go dead for about another 2 years. So I was wrong > thinking WD is officially dead. Does seem pointless to install WD when > MSE is available. Yes, you could install WD along with a 3rd party AV > but then you obviate the need for WD if you install a 3rd party AV. It > has been maybe a decade since any AV program only detected viruses. The OP did not say WD was not installed, he said he couldn't find it. I asked if MSE was installed because on some Windows Versions, installing MSE actually removes WD. Should they get MSE? Sure. Why not? But they need to know they must to remove their current AV program and most people are reluctant to do that especially if they just paid for their current AV program. -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP [Mail] Imperial Beach, CA
From: Richard in AZ on 1 Jul 2010 10:30 " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM(a)roadrunner.com> wrote in message news:i0i0jo$jk4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Bruce Hagen" <BRH(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:i0gvau$86o$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>" Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM(a)roadrunner.com> wrote in message >>news:i0gv03$avf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>I don't have any evidence of Window Defender on my machine. >>> My Start/All Programs does not contain it. >>> I opened Control panelAdd Remove Programs to see if it is mentioned there - it isn't. >>> >>> Shouldn't it appear some place - I like to check if it is really installed. >>> >>> Thank >> >> >> Did you ever download it? > > I don't remember. > > Probably not since ot is not in my Program Files folder. (Unless MSE or something else removes it) > >> >> If you did, have you installed Microsoft Security Essentials? > > > But I recently installed MSE. > > I also have running (for years) free AVG. > > Do you have a suggestion as to how I should proceed? > > Thanks > >> >> If not MSE, what AV program are you using and when did you start it or upgrade it last? >> -- >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP [Mail] >> Imperial Beach, CA If your upgraded to AVG 9, AVG will disable Windows Defender but not uninstall it.
From: Cal Who on 1 Jul 2010 10:53 "Richard in AZ" <me(a)mailinator.com> wrote in message news:etK91nSGLHA.4824(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > > " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM(a)roadrunner.com> wrote in message > news:i0i0jo$jk4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message >> news:i0gvau$86o$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>" Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM(a)roadrunner.com> wrote in message >>>news:i0gv03$avf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>I don't have any evidence of Window Defender on my machine. >>>> My Start/All Programs does not contain it. >>>> I opened Control panelAdd Remove Programs to see if it is mentioned >>>> there - it isn't. >>>> >>>> Shouldn't it appear some place - I like to check if it is really >>>> installed. >>>> >>>> Thank >>> >>> >>> Did you ever download it? >> >> I don't remember. >> >> Probably not since ot is not in my Program Files folder. (Unless MSE or >> something else removes it) >> >>> >>> If you did, have you installed Microsoft Security Essentials? >> >> >> But I recently installed MSE. >> >> I also have running (for years) free AVG. >> >> Do you have a suggestion as to how I should proceed? >> >> Thanks >> >>> >>> If not MSE, what AV program are you using and when did you start it or >>> upgrade it last? >>> -- >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP [Mail] >>> Imperial Beach, CA > > If your upgraded to AVG 9, AVG will disable Windows Defender but not > uninstall it. Thanks > >
From: Cal Who on 1 Jul 2010 10:58 "Bruce Hagen" <BRH(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:i0i7e6$p21$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message > news:i0hdrs$pe2$1(a)news.albasani.net... >> Bruce Hagen wrote: >> >>> VanguardLH wrote ... >>> >>>> Cal Who wrote: >>> >>>> Also, Windows Defender is dead. It was replaced with Microsoft >>>> Security >>>> Essentials (MSE). >>> >>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a >>> replacement unless you are running MSE. When using an AV other than MSE >>> like Avast, AVG, etc, Windows Defender is still alive and well with >>> continuous updating. >> >> The OP said they don't have Windows Defender. Why would you suggest >> installing WD when MSE is its replacement (includes WD plus the AV)? >> What they should get now is MSE, not Windows Defender. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/security/default.aspx >> >> Going to: >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/default.aspx >> >> and searching on Windows Defender finds the following download page: >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/default.aspx >> >> So it's still available for download. The lifecycle page at: >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11952 >> >> says it doesn't go dead for about another 2 years. So I was wrong >> thinking WD is officially dead. Does seem pointless to install WD when >> MSE is available. Yes, you could install WD along with a 3rd party AV >> but then you obviate the need for WD if you install a 3rd party AV. It >> has been maybe a decade since any AV program only detected viruses. > > > The OP did not say WD was not installed, he said he couldn't find it. I > asked if MSE was installed because on some Windows Versions, installing > MSE actually removes WD. > > Should they get MSE? Sure. Why not? But they need to know they must to > remove their current AV program and most people are reluctant to do that > especially if they just paid for their current AV program. > -- > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP [Mail] > Imperial Beach, CA > Do you recommend that I remove AVG 9 now that I have MSE. Is MS supplying a AV program free? I think the default MSE schedule is to run once a week the quick version. Is that enough? Does it check e-mail and other things in real time like AVG does? Thanks
From: Cal Who on 1 Jul 2010 11:04
"Bruce Hagen" <BRH(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:i0i6lb$l7k$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM(a)roadrunner.com> wrote in message > news:i0i14t$n6e$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message >> news:i0h7d4$a7j$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message >>> news:i0h70g$ehu$1(a)news.albasani.net... >>>> Cal Who wrote: >>> >>>> Also, Windows Defender is dead. It was replaced with Microsoft >>>> Security >>>> Essentials (MSE). >>> >>> >>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a >>> replacement unless you are running MSE. >> >> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have to >> manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by itself. I >> did not change any of the settings? >> >> >> Thanks >> > > > MSE includes Windows Defender. Like any other AV program, MSE runs in the > background all the time. You can set a scheduled scan if you wish, but it > is no more or less needed than a scheduled scan with any AV program > -- > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP [Mail] > Imperial Beach, CA The default that comes with MSE is a quick scan once a week. Itt seems to me that it only has to scan for virus etc that were add to its list since the last scan. True? I should get rid of AVG which I also have installed? Can't have two AV programs running?? Thanks > > > > >> When using an AV other than MSE >>> like Avast, AVG, etc, Windows Defender is still alive and well with >>> continuous updating. >>> -- >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP [Mail] >>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >> >> > |