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From: Cal Who on 1 Jul 2010 19:21 "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ewtQpNWGLHA.5500(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Cal Who wrote: >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:uF3mYyTGLHA.1716(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Cal Who wrote: >>>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your >>>>> subscription current? >>>> >>>> AVG... >>> >>> Like most current AV apps which include an anti-spyware component, >>> installing AVG disables Defender by default. >>> >>> cf. http://www.avg.com/us-en/faq.num-2672 >>> -- >>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002 >> >> Who knew? Well you guys did but not me. > > YW. You coulda ask about this in... > > AVG Free Suport Forum > http://freeforum.avg.com/ If I knew the question back then. Thanks for the help
From: Cal Who on 1 Jul 2010 19:35 "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ut$hpNWGLHA.5500(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Cal Who wrote: >>>>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a >>>>> replacement unless you are running MSE. >>>> >>>> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have >>>> to >>>> manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by itself. I >>>> did >>>> not change any of the settings? >>> >>> In Vista & Win7, installing MSE disables Defender by default. >>> >>> In WinXP with Defender installed, installing MSE will remove it. >> >> That clears that up! I have XP. >> >> I wonder if I could sneak one more question in here. >> >> I believe Defender also replaces Windows Live OneCare (been reading the >> Internet). >> >> I didn't have a subscription but used it ocasionally to clean the >> registry. >> >> Am I now in a position where there is no free ms Registry cleaner? > > Where to begin? > > You may have run Windows Live OneCare Safety Center "Full Service" online > scan but you did not install OneCare without paying for it. > > Those currently running OneCare might consider replacing OneCare with > Microsoft Security Essentials BEFORE their current subscription expires. > > Finally, if you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, > boosted, tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read > http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions. > -- > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002 I don't need to read it. I'm already convinced. Thanks
From: Cal Who on 1 Jul 2010 19:35 "Daave" <daave(a)example.com> wrote in message news:OnQnsZUGLHA.5668(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Cal Who wrote: >> "VanguardLH" <V(a)nguard.LH> wrote in message >> news:i0id5h$bih$1(a)news.albasani.net... >>> Cal Who wrote: >>> >>>> VanguardLH wrote ... >>>> >>>>> Cal Who wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't have any evidence of Window Defender on my machine. >>>>> >>>>> Well, did YOU ever bother to actually *install* it? If you want >>>>> it on your computer than YOU will have to install it. >>>> >>>> I let MS automatically update my machine. Is it any good and for >>>> some reason >>>> not automatically install? If so, do you know why that is so? >>> >>> *YOU* will have to install WD or MSE. Automatic Updates won't do it. >> >> >> I understand that but I think my question was about why MS does not >> include it in the auto installation process. > > MS stands for Microsoft. > > Microsoft, among other things, sells operating systems. > > The operating systems are all called Windows. > > Windows XP does not include Windows Defender becuase it predates Windows > Defender. Windows Defender didn't exist in 2002! > > Windows Vista does include Windows Defender. > > Hope that clears things up! > Thanks
From: Cal Who on 1 Jul 2010 19:39 "Bruce Hagen" <BRH(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:i0ilpi$ro1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM(a)roadrunner.com> wrote in message > news:i0ikv8$nv2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >>> MSE replaced OneCare, WD did not. >>> >>> Why on earth would you want to use a registry cleaner? There are plenty >>> of free ones out there, but read this before running a registry cleaner >>> and then take your chances. >>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 >>> -- >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP [Mail] >>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >> >> >> I'm convinced. I did just run OneCare after removing AVG and it did find >> two AVG entries that it deleted. >> >> That has been my experience in the past. I.E., It found many entries that >> I know should not be there. After getting rid of a Symatic program once I >> removed hundreds (with a different program). >> >> And I like neatness so it bothers me to have a file full of junk. >> >> But I'm sure if it screwed up my SQL Server or VS 2010 I be a bit >> unhappy. >> >> So I.m just not going to think about the junk that may be in those files >> from now on, bite my lip, and leave well enough alone. >> >> >> Thanks >> > > > Little bits and pieces of previous programs in the registry usually don't > cause a problem. However, getting rid of AV programs entirely should be > considered. Rather than a registry cleaner, there are specific programs > for this. Here are some. > > Norton Removal Tool > http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039 > > App Remover > http://www.technibble.com/appremover-repair-tool-of-the-week/ > > AppRemover is a small, free and portable utility designed to be a single > removal tool for a huge list of security products. It can remove products > made by Avast!, AVG, Avira, BullGuard, CA, ClamWin, ESET, F-Secure, > Kaspersky, Lavasoft, McAfee, Microsoft, Norman, Panda, Sophos, Symantec, > TrendMicro, TrustPort, Webroot and many more. > > AppRemover Supported Applications > http://www.appremover.com/supported-applications > -- > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP [Mail] > Imperial Beach, CA > I ran it and it didn't find anything. I'm going to leave the registry alone from now on. Thanks >
From: Cal Who on 1 Jul 2010 20:59
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake(a)this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:mq2q26lgjiobv1npvulfp0oaeigkavmtds(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 13:24:11 -0400, " Cal Who" > <CalWhoNOSPAM(a)roadrunner.com> wrote: > > >> Now I need a replacement for Windows Live OneCare registry cleaner! > > > > I *strongly* recommend against this. You should run *no* registry > cleaner. > > Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the > registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and > don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and > what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, > having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. > > The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously > removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit > it may have. > > Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html > > And also > http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2005/10/02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx > > Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the > use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause > problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from > the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry > cleaner and never had a problem with it. > > Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it > the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no > benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad > bargain. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 > Please Reply to the Newsgroup Thanks you, I've made up my mind not to use one (again). |