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From: John Larkin on 28 Jul 2010 21:59 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:37:27 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:06:20 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:48:53 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:46:32 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:39:39 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:09:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:26:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:33:48 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never had trouble with anodizing flaking off. Maybe you got E. German >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum. ;-) I think I still have my transmitter and last time I checked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (when we moved - '08) the panel was still in good shape. I used Letra-Set on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, too, with DataKote (?) sprayed over it. I built the transmitter in '66. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't the anodizing that flaked off but the spray coating lifting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >from the anodized surface. Worst case where a letter or number was. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never had that problem with DataKote, unless it was damaged (scratched). >>>>>>>>>>>>> In Europe there was no DataKote, and I think it's been discontinued here >>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. So I had to make do with whatever was in the budget. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't always much. I remember that I applied the clear coat on my regen >>>>>>>>>>>>> receiver from a bottle, using a brush. Afterwards I was a bit >>>>>>>>>>>>> disappointed but got used to the uneven look, actually started liking >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Nowadays it's all the rage and called faux painting :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently it has, recently. I've seen it in the last ten years, or so, but a >>>>>>>>>>>> web search brings up nothing. I'm not much for faux painting, "woodtone", or >>>>>>>>>>>> "antiquing", either. ;-) >>>>>>>>>>> It depends. Last week I stayed in a hotel in Mountain View where faux >>>>>>>>>>> painting was done so well that it made you feel like you were in a >>>>>>>>>>> mediterranean resort. The weird thing is they combined that with modern >>>>>>>>>>> furniture, could have been Art Deco, don't know this stuff, but it >>>>>>>>>>> looked really cool. Great place, and one of the best (free) breakfasts I >>>>>>>>>>> ever had. It's this one: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hotelzico.com/ >>>>>>>>>> Nice! How much $ ?? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regular around $130/night. Keep in mind it's right next to a freeway but >>>>>>>>> that didn't bother me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The client engineer I traveled with has this habit of booking everything >>>>>>>>> last minute on hotwire.com. You select how many stars and click on >>>>>>>>> "book", without knowing which hotel and exactly where. Once the bid is >>>>>>>>> booked you are told hotel and location. This got us two rooms at the >>>>>>>>> Zico for $50 each. Fifty! Oh, and on top of that he also booked the car >>>>>>>>> via that and landed us a Ford Mustang. Yeehaw! >>>>>>>> Mo and I rented a red Mustang convertible, by accident, in western >>>>>>>> Massachusetts. Horrible car. The top was a nightmare to get up and >>>>>>>> down, the ersatz 60's round chrome instruments were unreadable, and >>>>>>>> the turn signal sound was a loud, poorly synthesized fake of an old >>>>>>>> fashioned thermal plink-plonk thing. It did look sporty. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ours was actually really cool. The 60's chrome instruments are still >>>>>>> there but with large numbers and very readable. The car had mood >>>>>>> lighting and you could change the color. Heck, even the pedal area was >>>>>>> lit for whatever reason. The turn signal sounded like a real relay, or >>>>>>> maybe I fell for an improved synthesized plink-plonk :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It did have lots of gusto. However, it is definitely a car for no more >>>>>>> than two occupants, the rear bench space is pathetic and we did not have >>>>>>> a convertible. >>>>>> Hey, here it is: >>>>>> >>>>>> ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Mustang.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> Nice. They changed the outside design a wee bit. Of course, the real >>>>> thing would be the one with the V8 in there but those are hard to find. >>>> ??? >>>> >>>> All the GTs are V8s (three of five models). >>> >>> Very few GTs at the rental places and then they usually charge a hefty >>> premium on those. Probably because people renting them get that Mario >>> Andretti rush the millisecond the are behind the wheel. >> >> Ah, *rentals*. I thought it was perhaps a Kalifornica thing. > > >No, California is actually pretty free WRT cars. Ok, Diesels and smog >and all that, that's tough. But other than that you can get just about >anything registered. A friend built himself a Cobra with an Edelbrock >racing engine in there. It sounds like 10 Harleys together and when he >steps on it all the leaves on the ground are gone. He took me on a brief >tour and that thing really rocks. Don't ask about the gas mileage ... I was shocked when I moved to CA. The only vehicle inspection is smog, and new cars get a few years off for free. In Louisiana, we had a "brake inspection" every six months! In a place so flat you barely need brakes. John
From: Tom Gootee on 28 Jul 2010 23:03 On Jul 26, 2:29 pm, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > Joel Koltner wrote: > > "John Larkin" <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in > > messagenews:lthr4610pin79ldpnflqu3kd23p3g7lqgp(a)4ax.com... > >> A sheet of kiss-cut peel-off vinyl letters from Flax, the nearby art > >> supply store. They'll eventually rub off, so I'll turn it over to > >> testing and let them pretty it up. > > > If you spray some clear acrylic over it it'll last for years... that's > > what we did back at university, and there was some really nicely done > > equipment there that was probably well over a decade old, holding up > > well. (...although there were plenty of hacked-up boxes with Sharpie > > marker lettering on them too...) > > That's what I did as a kid, for my home-made ham radio gear. However, I > found it would only hold up to daily abuse if the aluminim was brushed a > bit and usually I also heated it before spraying, to the point where the > lettering just barely did not begin to shrivel. On non-brushed anodized > aluminum it all flaked off in due course. The lettering I used was from > a company called "Letra-Set", not sure if available in the US. It was > the professional stuff, otherwise used for shopping displays or > advertising material. > > -- > Regards, Joerg > > http://www.analogconsultants.com/ > > "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. > Use another domain or send PM. For one-offs, at least, on aluminum (or most any metal), I just use toner transfer, almost the same way I put PCB patterns onto copper blanks. If you use the right type of inkjet paper (or a glossy magazine page) in a laser printer, you can use a clothes iron to transfer the toner to metal in just a few minutes. One great thing about it is that you can use any kind of artwork that you can make and print with your computer and laser printer! So besides just letters and numbers (and of any size, font, etc that's available), you can easily have things like circular knob scales (tic marks and numbers, or whatever), logos, basically anything you can dream up, draw, and print. I have only tried it with the older black-only laser printers, like the old HP LaserJet 4, III, and II. And you do have to very-slightly roughen the surface, and get it very clean. The way I did it to make PCBs has the details, at http://www.fullnet.com/~tomg/gooteepc.htm .. You might have to practice, once or twice, before getting it perfect, assuming you have the right paper. Sorry I don't know what that paper make/model is, any more, because they keep changing the stuff, and I haven't done it for a while. Anyway, one good thing about it is that if you mess up, you can just clean the toner off with lacquer thinner and start over. When you've got it right, clear-coat it with something and it should last until the coating comes off. For PCBs, it's really quick and easy, enabling me to go from computer screen to finished board in under an hour; great for prototyping. The laser printer toner is mostly plastic. And PCB etchant-type acids can't eat through plastic. So whatever's not under the toner goes away and you're left with the copper pattern you want. The link I gave also has a recipe for home-made etchant that works within five or ten minutes and is made from hardware-store muriatic acid and drugstore hydrogen peroxide. I hated waiting (and paying) for mail- order stuff. So the way I did it I could get everything locally, almost anywhere, except for the PCB blanks and the tiny solid-carbide drill bits, which I just bought en masse. Toner transfer also worked extremely well for putting "silkscreen" artwork onto the fibreglass side.
From: krw on 28 Jul 2010 23:44 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:59:41 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:37:27 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >wrote: > >>krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:06:20 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:48:53 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:46:32 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:39:39 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:09:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:26:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:33:48 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never had trouble with anodizing flaking off. Maybe you got E. German >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum. ;-) I think I still have my transmitter and last time I checked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (when we moved - '08) the panel was still in good shape. I used Letra-Set on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, too, with DataKote (?) sprayed over it. I built the transmitter in '66. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't the anodizing that flaked off but the spray coating lifting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >from the anodized surface. Worst case where a letter or number was. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never had that problem with DataKote, unless it was damaged (scratched). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Europe there was no DataKote, and I think it's been discontinued here >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. So I had to make do with whatever was in the budget. And that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't always much. I remember that I applied the clear coat on my regen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiver from a bottle, using a brush. Afterwards I was a bit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappointed but got used to the uneven look, actually started liking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Nowadays it's all the rage and called faux painting :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently it has, recently. I've seen it in the last ten years, or so, but a >>>>>>>>>>>>> web search brings up nothing. I'm not much for faux painting, "woodtone", or >>>>>>>>>>>>> "antiquing", either. ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>> It depends. Last week I stayed in a hotel in Mountain View where faux >>>>>>>>>>>> painting was done so well that it made you feel like you were in a >>>>>>>>>>>> mediterranean resort. The weird thing is they combined that with modern >>>>>>>>>>>> furniture, could have been Art Deco, don't know this stuff, but it >>>>>>>>>>>> looked really cool. Great place, and one of the best (free) breakfasts I >>>>>>>>>>>> ever had. It's this one: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hotelzico.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> Nice! How much $ ?? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regular around $130/night. Keep in mind it's right next to a freeway but >>>>>>>>>> that didn't bother me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The client engineer I traveled with has this habit of booking everything >>>>>>>>>> last minute on hotwire.com. You select how many stars and click on >>>>>>>>>> "book", without knowing which hotel and exactly where. Once the bid is >>>>>>>>>> booked you are told hotel and location. This got us two rooms at the >>>>>>>>>> Zico for $50 each. Fifty! Oh, and on top of that he also booked the car >>>>>>>>>> via that and landed us a Ford Mustang. Yeehaw! >>>>>>>>> Mo and I rented a red Mustang convertible, by accident, in western >>>>>>>>> Massachusetts. Horrible car. The top was a nightmare to get up and >>>>>>>>> down, the ersatz 60's round chrome instruments were unreadable, and >>>>>>>>> the turn signal sound was a loud, poorly synthesized fake of an old >>>>>>>>> fashioned thermal plink-plonk thing. It did look sporty. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ours was actually really cool. The 60's chrome instruments are still >>>>>>>> there but with large numbers and very readable. The car had mood >>>>>>>> lighting and you could change the color. Heck, even the pedal area was >>>>>>>> lit for whatever reason. The turn signal sounded like a real relay, or >>>>>>>> maybe I fell for an improved synthesized plink-plonk :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It did have lots of gusto. However, it is definitely a car for no more >>>>>>>> than two occupants, the rear bench space is pathetic and we did not have >>>>>>>> a convertible. >>>>>>> Hey, here it is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Mustang.jpg >>>>>>> >>>>>> Nice. They changed the outside design a wee bit. Of course, the real >>>>>> thing would be the one with the V8 in there but those are hard to find. >>>>> ??? >>>>> >>>>> All the GTs are V8s (three of five models). >>>> >>>> Very few GTs at the rental places and then they usually charge a hefty >>>> premium on those. Probably because people renting them get that Mario >>>> Andretti rush the millisecond the are behind the wheel. >>> >>> Ah, *rentals*. I thought it was perhaps a Kalifornica thing. >> >> >>No, California is actually pretty free WRT cars. Ok, Diesels and smog >>and all that, that's tough. But other than that you can get just about >>anything registered. A friend built himself a Cobra with an Edelbrock >>racing engine in there. It sounds like 10 Harleys together and when he >>steps on it all the leaves on the ground are gone. He took me on a brief >>tour and that thing really rocks. Don't ask about the gas mileage ... > >I was shocked when I moved to CA. The only vehicle inspection is smog, >and new cars get a few years off for free. In Louisiana, we had a >"brake inspection" every six months! In a place so flat you barely >need brakes. No inspections at all here. The only downside I see is more *old* cars broken down along the road.
From: Joerg on 29 Jul 2010 09:29 John Larkin wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:37:27 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: [...] >>> Ah, *rentals*. I thought it was perhaps a Kalifornica thing. >> >> No, California is actually pretty free WRT cars. Ok, Diesels and smog >> and all that, that's tough. But other than that you can get just about >> anything registered. A friend built himself a Cobra with an Edelbrock >> racing engine in there. It sounds like 10 Harleys together and when he >> steps on it all the leaves on the ground are gone. He took me on a brief >> tour and that thing really rocks. Don't ask about the gas mileage ... > > I was shocked when I moved to CA. The only vehicle inspection is smog, > and new cars get a few years off for free. In Louisiana, we had a > "brake inspection" every six months! In a place so flat you barely > need brakes. > Unions? Or bureaucrats in need of plum jobs? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: John Larkin on 29 Jul 2010 10:18
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:29:41 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >John Larkin wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:37:27 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > >[...] > >>>> Ah, *rentals*. I thought it was perhaps a Kalifornica thing. >>> >>> No, California is actually pretty free WRT cars. Ok, Diesels and smog >>> and all that, that's tough. But other than that you can get just about >>> anything registered. A friend built himself a Cobra with an Edelbrock >>> racing engine in there. It sounds like 10 Harleys together and when he >>> steps on it all the leaves on the ground are gone. He took me on a brief >>> tour and that thing really rocks. Don't ask about the gas mileage ... >> >> I was shocked when I moved to CA. The only vehicle inspection is smog, >> and new cars get a few years off for free. In Louisiana, we had a >> "brake inspection" every six months! In a place so flat you barely >> need brakes. >> > >Unions? Or bureaucrats in need of plum jobs? Don't know. The inspection stations were state run, had long lines, and my Austin-Healy Sprite always failed the headlight aiming test because it was too low for their machine. That's one of the many small annoyances that made me leave. John |