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From: Savageduck on 3 Jul 2010 14:39 On 2010-07-03 11:06:24 -0700, "Pete D" <no(a)email.com> said: > > > "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message > news:2010070301394675249-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >> An incident at the Valencia GP2 race. After a pit stop, the rear jack >> got jammed and was taken for a ride through several corners. It came >> loose and swatted a fat lens poking through the fence. >> >> < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YC1WNUaGk&NR=1 > >> >> I hope that guy had the lens, and/or camera & lens insured. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Savageduck >> > > Just shows how little control they have at these races, the jack could > easily have gone over a fence and killed someone, why did they not stop > the race immediately???? They wouldn't have stopped the race. The only car in immediate jeopardy was the one following. The field was spread out over the entire circuit, and this would have always been a local caution issue for whichever part of the track they were on. They could have black flagged the offending car to have him return to the pits, but by the time the officials would have been able to do that the jack had come loose. Then it just became a clean up for the marshals where the wreckage ended up, and that would have been under a local caution yellow flag, and no need to stop the race. The other interesting thing was, they used some of the footage from the wrecked camera, which makes me think it might have been DSLR video of some type. The race was last weekend at Valencia and they replayed it on SpeedTV last night. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: David J Taylor on 3 Jul 2010 15:28 "Pete D" <no(a)email.com> wrote in message news:-uWdnXgl7_iG4bLRnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... [] > Just shows how little control they have at these races, the jack could > easily have gone over a fence and killed someone, why did they not stop > the race immediately???? I take it that you did not see the incident involving Mark Webber in the subsequent Formula 1 race? They did bring out a safety car for that one.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8784683.stm (I don't know if the video is available outside the UK.) Cheers, David
From: Robert Coe on 3 Jul 2010 20:05 On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 04:06:24 +1000, "Pete D" <no(a)email.com> wrote: : "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message : news:2010070301394675249-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... : > An incident at the Valencia GP2 race. After a pit stop, the rear jack got : > jammed and was taken for a ride through several corners. It came loose and : > swatted a fat lens poking through the fence. : > : > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YC1WNUaGk&NR=1 > : > : > I hope that guy had the lens, and/or camera & lens insured. : > : > -- : > Regards, : > : > Savageduck : > : : Just shows how little control they have at these races, the jack could : easily have gone over a fence and killed someone, why did they not stop the : race immediately???? Obviously they would have if an official had seen the jack. But that's easier said than done. The track would be anywhere from one to three miles long, and until all drivers have passed a flag stand and seen the yellow caution flag, there's nothing to slow them down. (Actually stopping, i.e. red-flagging, the race would have been more dangerous than letting it continue, since a stopped car is a sitting duck for those behind it. You do that only if the track ahead is impassable.) In the best of all worlds, the officials would be able to push a button and send a radio signal to turn on a big yellow light on each car's dashboard. But that isn't easy either. The cars don't use the same radio frequency, so all the radios would have to be modified, along with the installation of equipment at the track. All doable, but of doubtful feasibility. (Somebody may tell me that they've already done that, but I've not heard of it.) The primary fault lies with the driver's pit crew. Not only did they screw up by letting the car leave with the jack attached; as soon as they saw the jack being dragged, they should have radioed the driver to pull over and notified the officials to put out the yellow flag. It makes you think that they were so inattentive that they didn't see the jack being dragged when the car left. A month's suspension for the head of the pit crew might help him get his mind right, but one somehow doubts that it will happen. Bob
From: Savageduck on 3 Jul 2010 21:32 On 2010-07-03 17:05:51 -0700, Robert Coe <bob(a)1776.COM> said: > On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 04:06:24 +1000, "Pete D" <no(a)email.com> wrote: > : "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message > : news:2010070301394675249-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > : > An incident at the Valencia GP2 race. After a pit stop, the rear jack got > : > jammed and was taken for a ride through several corners. It came loose and > : > swatted a fat lens poking through the fence. > : > > : > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YC1WNUaGk&NR=1 > > : > > : > I hope that guy had the lens, and/or camera & lens insured. > : > > : > -- > : > Regards, > : > > : > Savageduck > : > > : > : Just shows how little control they have at these races, the jack could > : easily have gone over a fence and killed someone, why did they not stop the > : race immediately???? > > Obviously they would have if an official had seen the jack. But that's easier > said than done. The track would be anywhere from one to three miles long, and > until all drivers have passed a flag stand and seen the yellow caution flag, > there's nothing to slow them down. (Actually stopping, i.e. red-flagging, the > race would have been more dangerous than letting it continue, since a stopped > car is a sitting duck for those behind it. You do that only if the track ahead > is impassable.) > > In the best of all worlds, the officials would be able to push a button and > send a radio signal to turn on a big yellow light on each car's dashboard. But > that isn't easy either. The cars don't use the same radio frequency, so all > the radios would have to be modified, along with the installation of equipment > at the track. All doable, but of doubtful feasibility. (Somebody may tell me > that they've already done that, but I've not heard of it.) > > The primary fault lies with the driver's pit crew. Not only did they screw up > by letting the car leave with the jack attached; as soon as they saw the jack > being dragged, they should have radioed the driver to pull over and notified > the officials to put out the yellow flag. It makes you think that they were so > inattentive that they didn't see the jack being dragged when the car left. A > month's suspension for the head of the pit crew might help him get his mind > right, but one somehow doubts that it will happen. > > Bob The FIA fined the team for the incident (amount was not specified) the driver Alberto Valerio was absolved of fault for this incident as he had no way of knowing what had actually happened. However he and his two team mates have been penalized 10 grid positions each for the next race at Silverstone, for their role in causing a collision during the Sprint race. GP2 does have the F1 EM LED Marshal flag and Race Control Management system. < http://www.fia.com/oldautomotive/issue6/institute/article4.html# > This has been in the cars since 2007 and places an LED array in the cockpit giving the driver all the major marshal flag signals. So the driver could have been signaled to return to the pits with a red flag, it was not clear that he had been given that signal. As far as a local yellow caution was concerned, that only became relevant once the debris was on the track. Once the jack broke away, he was free to continue racing. These cars also have an Accident data recorder required by the FIA. GP2 is seen as a major stepping stone to F1 and most of the new additions to the F1 ranks were GP2 stars. < http://gp2series.com/ > -- Regards, Savageduck
From: Pete D on 3 Jul 2010 21:35
"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4c2f8033$0$5502$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... > "Pete D" <no(a)email.com> wrote in message > news:-uWdnXgl7_iG4bLRnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... >> >> >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >> news:2010070301394675249-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>> An incident at the Valencia GP2 race. After a pit stop, the rear jack >>> got jammed and was taken for a ride through several corners. It came >>> loose and swatted a fat lens poking through the fence. >>> >>> < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YC1WNUaGk&NR=1 > >>> >>> I hope that guy had the lens, and/or camera & lens insured. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Savageduck >>> >> >> Just shows how little control they have at these races, the jack could >> easily have gone over a fence and killed someone, why did they not stop >> the race immediately???? > > > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > -- > Peter LOL, true, what is a couple of dead people compared to the cash? |