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From: tony cooper on 3 Jul 2010 23:15 On 4 Jul 2010 02:13:25 GMT, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 2010-07-04, tony cooper wrote: >... >> Well, a spectator getting killed once in a while is a fair trade. The >> spectators are there in hopes of seeing a driver crash and burn. >> >> I've been to races. Don't tell me that people go to see the cars go >> zip, zip, zip, in front of them for a few hours. They're waiting for >> the crashes. > > No, that's NASCAR. Formula 1 and its feeder groups (GP2 etc,), > serious crashes are few and far between. All the more reason to keep attending. The rare catch is worth waiting for. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Savageduck on 3 Jul 2010 23:30 On 2010-07-03 18:54:14 -0700, Robert Coe <bob(a)1776.COM> said: > On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 18:32:40 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> > wrote: > : On 2010-07-03 17:05:51 -0700, Robert Coe <bob(a)1776.COM> said: > : > : > On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 04:06:24 +1000, "Pete D" <no(a)email.com> wrote: > : > : "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message > : > : news:2010070301394675249-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > : > : > An incident at the Valencia GP2 race. After a pit stop, the > rear jack got > : > : > jammed and was taken for a ride through several corners. It > came loose and > : > : > swatted a fat lens poking through the fence. > : > : > > : > : > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YC1WNUaGk&NR=1 > > : > : > > : > : > I hope that guy had the lens, and/or camera & lens insured. > : > : > > : > : > -- > : > : > Regards, > : > : > > : > : > Savageduck > : > : > > : > : > : > : Just shows how little control they have at these races, the jack could > : > : easily have gone over a fence and killed someone, why did they > not stop the > : > : race immediately???? > : > > : > Obviously they would have if an official had seen the jack. But > that's easier > : > said than done. The track would be anywhere from one to three miles > long, and > : > until all drivers have passed a flag stand and seen the yellow > caution flag, > : > there's nothing to slow them down. (Actually stopping, i.e. > red-flagging, the > : > race would have been more dangerous than letting it continue, since > a stopped > : > car is a sitting duck for those behind it. You do that only if the > track ahead > : > is impassable.) > : > > : > In the best of all worlds, the officials would be able to push a button and > : > send a radio signal to turn on a big yellow light on each car's > dashboard. But > : > that isn't easy either. The cars don't use the same radio frequency, so all > : > the radios would have to be modified, along with the installation > of equipment > : > at the track. All doable, but of doubtful feasibility. (Somebody > may tell me > : > that they've already done that, but I've not heard of it.) > : > > : > The primary fault lies with the driver's pit crew. Not only did > they screw up > : > by letting the car leave with the jack attached; as soon as they > saw the jack > : > being dragged, they should have radioed the driver to pull over and > notified > : > the officials to put out the yellow flag. It makes you think that > they were so > : > inattentive that they didn't see the jack being dragged when the > car left. A > : > month's suspension for the head of the pit crew might help him get his mind > : > right, but one somehow doubts that it will happen. > : > > : > Bob > : > : The FIA fined the team for the incident (amount was not specified) the > : driver Alberto Valerio was absolved of fault for this incident as he > : had no way of knowing what had actually happened. However he and his > : two team mates have been penalized 10 grid positions each for the next > : race at Silverstone, for their role in causing a collision during the > : Sprint race. > : > : GP2 does have the F1 EM LED Marshal flag and Race Control Management system. > : < http://www.fia.com/oldautomotive/issue6/institute/article4.html# > > : This has been in the cars since 2007 and places an LED array in the > : cockpit giving the driver all the major marshal flag signals. So the > : driver could have been signaled to return to the pits with a red flag, > > Black, I believe. Red stops the whole race. Correct, but the system does not have a Black flag/light equivenant, so Red would be the only option as a signal to him, unless there is someothe combination of lights which indicates a Black such as a yellow+Red, or Yellow+Blue, that I do not know. > > : it was not clear that he had been given that signal. As far as a local > : yellow caution was concerned, that only became relevant once the debris > : was on the track. > : Once the jack broke away, he was free to continue racing. > : These cars also have an Accident data recorder required by the FIA. > : > : GP2 is seen as a major stepping stone to F1 and most of the new > : additions to the F1 ranks were GP2 stars. < http://gp2series.com/ > > > Interesting. I knew nothing about those in-car systems. > > Bob -- Regards, Savageduck
From: David J Taylor on 4 Jul 2010 03:32 "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2010070320304550073-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... [] > Correct, but the system does not have a Black flag/light equivenant, so > Red would be the only option as a signal to him, unless there is > someothe combination of lights which indicates a Black such as a > yellow+Red, or Yellow+Blue, that I do not know. "Watch for the flashing black LED"..... David
From: Savageduck on 4 Jul 2010 03:55 On 2010-07-04 00:32:50 -0700, "David J Taylor" <david-taylor(a)blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> said: > "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message > news:2010070320304550073-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > [] >> Correct, but the system does not have a Black flag/light equivenant, so >> Red would be the only option as a signal to him, unless there is >> someothe combination of lights which indicates a Black such as a >> yellow+Red, or Yellow+Blue, that I do not know. > > "Watch for the flashing black LED"..... > > David This is where the explosive bolts should just blow off all 4 wheels. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: Walter Banks on 4 Jul 2010 08:08
"Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote: > > On 2010-07-04, tony cooper wrote: > > I've been to races. Don't tell me that people go to see the cars go > > zip, zip, zip, in front of them for a few hours. They're waiting for > > the crashes. > > No, that's NASCAR. Formula 1 and its feeder groups (GP2 etc,), > serious crashes are few and far between. In the last decade NASCAR has got serious to make racing safer so much so that a 175 mph crash the driver is expected to walk away unhurt. The unintended consequence has been that drivers have become a lot more aggressive on the track. w. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net --- |