Need advice: Panasonic FZ35 vs Canon SX20
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From: Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up. on 8 Dec 2009 16:31 On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:59:38 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Outing Trolls is FUN! wrote: >> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:40:06 GMT, "David J Taylor" >> <david-taylor(a)blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >> >>> "Paul Ciszek" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:hf396a$gld$1(a)reader1.panix.com... >>> [] >>>> Rather, I figured that since I can't understand the photographerese >>>> in the cameralabs articles I linked to well enough to determine if >>>> they were saying one is better than the other, I must not need an >>>> SLR yet. >>> I was responding to your remark about image quality important. Many of >>> today's DSLRs have an automatic mode which works in a similar way to that >>> on a compact camera, but you may want to use less automation to get more >>> control of the settings once you learn more about photography, and that >>> applies equally to DSLRs as is does to small sensor cameras. >>> >>> In ideal taking conditions, small-sensor cameras can produce good quality >>> images, but if the light is poor, and the camera's sensitivity needs to be >>> increased (and cameras will do this automatically for you), the "noise" in >>> the image will increase, leading to a grainy appearance and some loss of >>> detail. >> >> Yet pro photographers have been taking photos on ASA25, ASA64, ASA100, and >> ASA200 all their lives for nearly a century. > >Not at night, they haven't. > >> Higher ISOs are only required >> by those that don't know how to use a camera properly--beginner >> snapshooters. > >Ever heard of Tri-X? Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy: alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004) Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic." <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&num=10&as_ugroup=alt.kook.lionel-lauer> "Results 1 - 10 of about 2,170 for group:alt.kook.lionel-lauer."
From: Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up. on 8 Dec 2009 16:34 On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:08:35 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Pretend-Photographers Is All They Are wrote: >> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:32:43 -0700, Wally <Wally(a)luxx.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:46:57 +0000 (UTC), nospam(a)nospam.com (Paul >>> Ciszek) wrote: >>> >>>> I am trying to chose between a Panasonic Lumix FZ35 and a Canon >>>> PowerShot SX20 IS. According to one salesman, the Panasonic is >>>> supposed to have better quality optics and faster electronics; >>>> I don't know enough about photography to tell if this online >>>> review is agreeing with that assessment or not: >>>> >>>> http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC_FZ35_FZ38/outdoor_results.shtml >>>> >>>> http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC_FZ35_FZ38/verdict.shtml >>>> >>>> Most of my use will be outdoor nature photography, both landscape >>>> and ultra-closeup (flowers, lichens, minerals, etc.). I care only >>>> about the quality of the captured image; any post-processing I can >>>> do on a computer. I do not expect video to play a large role. >>> Do you have experience with ultra-closeup photography? It is a >>> demanding field. And the closer you get, the more difficult it >>> becomes. The depth of field gets very shallow, the lenses become less >>> sharp, it is hard to focus, hard to compose, and hard to manage camera >>> shake, and it is hard to get enough light on the subject, especially >>> quality light. >> >> >> This is the main drawback of all DSLRs. P&S cameras aren't hindered by all >> these problems. P&S cameras are EXCELLENT for macro and micro photography. >> But then, you'd have to actually have experience with these fields of >> photography to learn and know this. >> >> I do wish that you inexperienced snapshooters would educate yourselves some >> day. >> >> >>> I suggest that you spend some time learning about closeup photography >>> before deciding which camera to buy. >>> >> >> I suggest that YOU spend some time learning about close-up photography. >> Because, clearly, you know absolutely NOTHING about it. > >Got some samples to show us of your (no doubt) excellent work? Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy: alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004) Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic." <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&num=10&as_ugroup=alt.kook.lionel-lauer> "Results 1 - 10 of about 2,170 for group:alt.kook.lionel-lauer."
From: Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up. on 8 Dec 2009 16:35 On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:09:48 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com> wrote: >-hh wrote: >> On Dec 2, 6:33 pm, Outing Trolls is FUN! <o...(a)trollouters.org> wrote: >>> [...] >> >> Back again and begging for my attention again, I see. >> >> 'Roll Over! Play Dead!' >> >> You're still pwned. >> >> >> FWIW, an *invisible* P&S camera would solve the light-shadowing >> problem I mentioned. Which part of the CHDK hack is that? :-) > >*snicker* Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy: alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004) Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic." <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&num=10&as_ugroup=alt.kook.lionel-lauer> "Results 1 - 10 of about 2,170 for group:alt.kook.lionel-lauer."
From: NameHere on 8 Dec 2009 16:39 On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:27:06 -0500, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: > >However for macro work, if one is serious about it, the camera is just the >iceberg tip. One also needs decent and somewhat specialized lighting and >proper camera supports. This is where a P&S camera excels. No special lighting nor supports are required. Due to the deeper DOF you can shoot remarkable macro photos using available light at all times at wider apertures at hand-held shutter speeds. Have none of you ever used any cameras in your lifetime? (The answer to that is more than obvious.)
From: NameHere on 8 Dec 2009 16:40
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 02:09:56 -0500, "Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote: > >I have not done any extreme close-up work with any camera of this type so >cannot comment on that. Then stop handing out advice on something that you know absolutely nothing about. |