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From: Bill Graham on 14 Feb 2010 18:18 "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4b7846fc$0$22119$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... > "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:uPidnQOfVqwlGOrWnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message >> news:4b774ccb$3$18835$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... > >>> If the government spending was at the level he claims to want, he will >>> be very busy: Digging holes to safeguard his money; target practice; >>> worrying whether his doctor really had a medical license; whether his >>> grandchildren's teachers were competent to teach; growing his own food >>> because of worry about adulterating substances; etc. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Peter >> Funny......I am worried about all of these things right now, in spite of >> the fact that we are paying over 50% of our incomes in taxes. That's >> because the government just steals our money and gives us nothing for it. >> Have you checked out the basket weavers they are graduating from college >> nowadays? And when was the last time there was a scare about foreign >> canned goods, or unsafe toys? How many illegal aliens are we supporting >> nowadays? 20 million? 25 million? good God, man, there are only about 100 >> million heads of households in this country. What, exactly is your >> government doing with your tax dollars? And they are borrowing trillions >> from China to cover their expenditures.....Doesn't this bother you at >> all? Why don't you wake up? > > You don't want to pay for proper inspection, yet you claim to worry about > them. > If you are really worried about those things, you would not be against > government. You would be working towards proper channeling of government > spending. > > -- > Peter Boy, you sure don't listen very well. I am paying right now.....Paying way too much.....And, I am not getting what I am paying for!! How many times do I have to repeat myself.....50% of my total work output for 40 odd years is way too much to pay for my government, unless they do literally everything for me, and I don't want them to do hardly anything for me. They keep raising our taxes, and justify it by doing more and more for us. This is the direction of complete slavery....Of making ants in an ant colony out of all of us.You want this, and I do not, and you are getting just what you want. I see a future where the government does everything for us. This will mean that they will choose your education, your work, your house, your clothes, your food and your transportation. You will not have to worry about anything. Of course, you will also have no choice in the matter, either. You will be an ant, and not a human being. I, fortunately, will be dead, so it's no skin off my nose. - Have a nice life.....:^)
From: Bill Graham on 14 Feb 2010 18:34 "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4b7846fc$3$22119$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... > "Walter Banks" <walter(a)bytecraft.com> wrote in message > news:4B77F005.2520E00B(a)bytecraft.com... >> >> >> Bill Graham wrote: >> >>> Will do. At 10% government, society is great, At 20% government it's >>> still >>> not too bad, but a bit less than "great" and at 50% government it is >>> oppressive, way to socialistic, and a long, long way from being great. - >>> We >>> passed the 50% mark some time ago, and with Obama/Pelosi, we are fast >>> heading to 60% and above. >> >> The current US government spends about 20% of GDP. By your account >> not too bad, but a bit less than "great" . >> >> http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/omb/financial/reports/citizens_guide.pdf >> > > > I was gong to say you spoiled my fun, but then realized that report is 3 > years old. Before the Bush off budget expenditures were recorded. > > -- > Peter I lived and worked in |California for over 40 years, and I can tell you that government takes way more than 20%. Of course, I speak of all government, and not just the feds. But why would I care which branch takes what? The state does some things, the county others, and the feds a few too. Most of it is just BS. I could buy all of it from private enterprise, and if I didn't have to pay 50% of my income in taxes, I would have the money to do so. But better than that. I could buy exactly what I wanted to buy, and not have to accept what the government decided was "good" for me.....What a concept, huh? Being able to tailor what you spend your own money on to your own circumstances? Lets call it, "freedom", or something like that......
From: Peter on 14 Feb 2010 18:40 "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:YfednVYV_-FWGeXWnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message > news:4b7846fc$0$22119$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:uPidnQOfVqwlGOrWnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> >>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message >>> news:4b774ccb$3$18835$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >> >>>> If the government spending was at the level he claims to want, he will >>>> be very busy: Digging holes to safeguard his money; target practice; >>>> worrying whether his doctor really had a medical license; whether his >>>> grandchildren's teachers were competent to teach; growing his own food >>>> because of worry about adulterating substances; etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Peter >>> Funny......I am worried about all of these things right now, in spite of >>> the fact that we are paying over 50% of our incomes in taxes. That's >>> because the government just steals our money and gives us nothing for >>> it. Have you checked out the basket weavers they are graduating from >>> college nowadays? And when was the last time there was a scare about >>> foreign canned goods, or unsafe toys? How many illegal aliens are we >>> supporting nowadays? 20 million? 25 million? good God, man, there are >>> only about 100 million heads of households in this country. What, >>> exactly is your government doing with your tax dollars? And they are >>> borrowing trillions from China to cover their expenditures.....Doesn't >>> this bother you at all? Why don't you wake up? >> >> You don't want to pay for proper inspection, yet you claim to worry about >> them. >> If you are really worried about those things, you would not be against >> government. You would be working towards proper channeling of government >> spending. >> >> -- >> Peter > Boy, you sure don't listen very well. I am paying right now.....Paying way > too much.....And, I am not getting what I am paying for!! How many times > do I have to repeat myself.....50% of my total work output for 40 odd > years is way too much to pay for my government, unless they do literally > everything for me, and I don't want them to do hardly anything for me. > They keep raising our taxes, and justify it by doing more and more for us. > This is the direction of complete slavery....Of making ants in an ant > colony out of all of us.You want this, and I do not, and you are getting > just what you want. I see a future where the government does everything > for us. This will mean that they will choose your education, your work, > your house, your clothes, your food and your transportation. You will not > have to worry about anything. Of course, you will also have no choice in > the matter, either. You will be an ant, and not a human being. I, > fortunately, will be dead, so it's no skin off my nose. - Have a nice > life.....:^) You have a conclusion that is unsupported by any fact. If you were to analyze spending using my approach you would be uncomfortable with your position. I truly understand why you are evading an answer. -- Peter
From: Bill Graham on 14 Feb 2010 19:58 "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4b788a2f$1$21510$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... > "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:YfednVYV_-FWGeXWnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message >> news:4b7846fc$0$22119$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:uPidnQOfVqwlGOrWnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> >>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message >>>> news:4b774ccb$3$18835$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >>> >>>>> If the government spending was at the level he claims to want, he will >>>>> be very busy: Digging holes to safeguard his money; target practice; >>>>> worrying whether his doctor really had a medical license; whether his >>>>> grandchildren's teachers were competent to teach; growing his own food >>>>> because of worry about adulterating substances; etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter >>>> Funny......I am worried about all of these things right now, in spite >>>> of the fact that we are paying over 50% of our incomes in taxes. That's >>>> because the government just steals our money and gives us nothing for >>>> it. Have you checked out the basket weavers they are graduating from >>>> college nowadays? And when was the last time there was a scare about >>>> foreign canned goods, or unsafe toys? How many illegal aliens are we >>>> supporting nowadays? 20 million? 25 million? good God, man, there are >>>> only about 100 million heads of households in this country. What, >>>> exactly is your government doing with your tax dollars? And they are >>>> borrowing trillions from China to cover their expenditures.....Doesn't >>>> this bother you at all? Why don't you wake up? >>> >>> You don't want to pay for proper inspection, yet you claim to worry >>> about them. >>> If you are really worried about those things, you would not be against >>> government. You would be working towards proper channeling of government >>> spending. >>> >>> -- >>> Peter >> Boy, you sure don't listen very well. I am paying right now.....Paying >> way too much.....And, I am not getting what I am paying for!! How many >> times do I have to repeat myself.....50% of my total work output for 40 >> odd years is way too much to pay for my government, unless they do >> literally everything for me, and I don't want them to do hardly anything >> for me. They keep raising our taxes, and justify it by doing more and >> more for us. This is the direction of complete slavery....Of making ants >> in an ant colony out of all of us.You want this, and I do not, and you >> are getting just what you want. I see a future where the government does >> everything for us. This will mean that they will choose your education, >> your work, your house, your clothes, your food and your transportation. >> You will not have to worry about anything. Of course, you will also have >> no choice in the matter, either. You will be an ant, and not a human >> being. I, fortunately, will be dead, so it's no skin off my nose. - Have >> a nice life.....:^) > > > You have a conclusion that is unsupported by any fact. If you were to > analyze spending using my approach you would be uncomfortable with your > position. I truly understand why you are evading an answer. > > -- > Peter I have a very simple "approach". There's this big black hole.....And I am forced to pour money into it. I keep waiting for something good to come back, but it doesn't happen. And now, at the age of 74 I have come to the (obvious) conclusion that it isn't going to happen. So I tell the people in line behind me to do whatever they can to avoid having to put more money down the hole, and they (you) don't want to listen to me.
From: Bill Graham on 14 Feb 2010 21:52
"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4b788a2f$1$21510$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-> You have a conclusion that is unsupported by any fact. If you were to > analyze spending using my approach you would be uncomfortable with your > position. I truly understand why you are evading an answer. > Well, since you are so enamored of whatever our government does, here is a little link a friend of mine sent me that you and others like you should really watch.......It just might make you think a bit about how the government works to help you out...... http://www.thinkbigworksmall.com/mypage/player/tbws/23088/1287086 |