From: SMS on
On 29/05/10 4:31 PM, Frank ess wrote:
>
>
> Robert Coe wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:34:54 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 29/05/10 8:08 AM, aaronep(a)pacbell.net wrote:
>>>> Can someone tell me why digital camera makers are no longer
>>>> offering optical viewfinders on their cameras?
>>>>
>>>> One salesman in retail shop claimed they are not necessary
>>>> because LCD screens are now brighter than in previous years and
>>>> obviate the need for optical viewfinders.
>>>
>>> LOL, no, that's not the reason. The reason is cost. An optical
>>> viewfinder that adjusts as the lens zooms adds too much cost.
>>>
>>>> My own experience has been that Cameras with only LCD screens are
>>>> extremely difficult to use in bright sunlight.
>>>
>>> That's your experience and the experience of everyone else on the
>>> planet. Unfortunately, most people don't even realize the problem
>>> until after they've purchased a camera without an optical
>>> viewfinder.
>>>
>>> The best advice is to find a camera you like with a viewfinder and
>>> buy a lifetime supply.
>>>
>>> "If you find something you really, really like, buy a lifetime
>>> supply; because it'll either be changed for the worse or go out
>>> of production." Quote from Rivendell Bicycle's Web Site
>>
>> That's why I have a lifetime supply of those fine old heavy-duty
>> keyboards that IBM made for their PCs. The one I'm typing on at
>> this moment was made in 1986.
>>
>> Bob
>
> I bought two Microsoft Trackball Explorers when they were still on the
> shelves at Fry's. One of them failed, and when I went to look for
> another (two computers at the time) there was one left. When another
> failed, there were none. I looked on the Internet and found some for a
> very good price, and bought a case of five. I've had two fail since
> then, the last very recently. I looked them up again, and found that
> even inoperative ones are valuable, there is at least one specialist who
> buys and refurbishes them, and used-but-operable ones go for anything
> from ninety to two hundred dollars. Sealed new ones were listed on
> Amazon at five hundred ninety-nine dollars. Just four ninety-nine,
> today. Serendipity.
>
> I foolishly threw one "broken" one away, gave away a new one. My
> inventory will probably last me for the rest of my life, and pay for
> Neptune services.
>
> I still prefer the Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite - original arrow-key
> configuration, but there doesn't seem to be the same kind of market as
> for the Trackball Explorer.

Microsoft had a big trackball for toddlers which was great. Ours went
back and forth to several families as kids grew and new kids came along,
and now I have it back. It's serial port only so not all computers these
days can use it unless you get a serial/USB adapter. I need to see if my
next door neighbor wants it for his kids.
From: SMS on
On 29/05/10 10:48 AM, Ray Fischer wrote:

> Heh. A few days ago I was with a bunch of school kids in a cave and
> took some pictures. The only illumination was their flashlights, and
> the only way I could take pictures was to set the camera on a rock and
> do a five second exposure. Since it was so dark viewfinders (both
> kinds) were next to useless, but since it was an SLR I could see where
> the lens was pointed.

Was this at the Pinnacles? That's a field trip I would always volunteer
for. Last time we saw a bunch of California condors down there.

From: Frank ess on


Frank ess wrote:
....

>
> I still prefer the Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite - original
> arrow-key configuration, but there doesn't seem to be the same kind
> of market as for the Trackball Explorer.

Pardon me. That should be "Pro", rather than "Elite".
From: Robert Coe on
On Sat, 29 May 2010 16:39:05 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote:
: Microsoft had a big trackball for toddlers which was great. Ours went
: back and forth to several families as kids grew and new kids came along,
: and now I have it back. It's serial port only so not all computers these
: days can use it unless you get a serial/USB adapter. I need to see if my
: next door neighbor wants it for his kids.

You may find that today's kids have no need for such a device. My youngest
grandchild, for example, was perfectly comfortable with a conventional mouse
by the time he was three.

Bob
From: SMS on
On 29/05/10 4:56 PM, Robert Coe wrote:
> On Sat, 29 May 2010 16:39:05 -0700, SMS<scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote:
> : Microsoft had a big trackball for toddlers which was great. Ours went
> : back and forth to several families as kids grew and new kids came along,
> : and now I have it back. It's serial port only so not all computers these
> : days can use it unless you get a serial/USB adapter. I need to see if my
> : next door neighbor wants it for his kids.
>
> You may find that today's kids have no need for such a device. My youngest
> grandchild, for example, was perfectly comfortable with a conventional mouse
> by the time he was three.

Yeah, the big trackball was really for 1-2 year olds, by three they can
handle a mouse, though I got my kids small mice that were more suitable
for small hands.