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From: spudnik on 18 Apr 2010 00:08 that was, Pauli and Schroedinger ... and Schroedinger's poor, put-upon joke-cat. thus: I was replying to the guy who tries to "mash-up" "the photon" & "the aether," the former of which was supposed to get rid of the need for the latter ... except that it is an utter absurdity ... well, could be an energetic infinetessimal in a "nonstandard theory," I guess. I didn't steal her ID; it just happened to have been on the terminal I was using, and didn't notice. > To whom are you replying? thus: a) there is no vacuum "a la monsieur Pascal;" b) there are no photons. but, in any case, don't try to use the "math" of waves and the math of particles, at the same time, like Dirac et al *in their mere interpretations* of their own math. thereis even a recent historical treatment that covers this "controversy," between Schroedinger and the Matrix Guy, which looks as if it would be quite an entertainment (some things like, _The Ten of QM_ .-) > its seems like ether drag ... thus: drag, as in "ain't no absolute vacuum?" thus: some of the problem is just math; like, when one uses ray-tracing or "geometric optics" a la Newton, and then assumes that the wave is akin to a mere "ray" of light (which is really just a sort of dual method to Huyghens wavelets -- just because the "line of sight" is more or less, y'know, linear). > > What and how does a Michelson interferometer measure? --Light: A History! http://wlym.com
From: NoEinstein on 19 Apr 2010 16:46 On Apr 18, 12:04 am, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Dear spudnik: When you 'top post', always leave the name of the person you are replying to at the top. If you chance to make an intelligent comment, I will reply. NoEinstein > > I was replying to the guy who tries > to "mash-up" "the photon" & "the aether," > the former of which was supposed to get rid > of the need for the latter ... except that > it is an utter absurdity ... well, > could be an energetic infinetessimal in a "nonstandard theory," > I guess. > > I didn't steal her ID; it just happened to have > been on the terminal I was using, and didn't notice. > > > To whom are you replying? > > thus: > a) > there is no vacuum "a la monsieur Pascal;" b) > there are no photons. but, in any case, > don't try to use the "math" of waves and > the math of particles, at the same time, > like Dirac et al *in their mere interpretations* > of their own math. > > thereis even a recent historical treatment > that covers this "controversy," between Schroedinger > and the Matrix Guy, which looks as if it > would be quite an entertainment (some things like, > _The Ten of QM_ .-) > > > its seems like ether drag ... > > thus: > drag, as in "ain't no absolute vacuum?" > > thus: > some of the problem is just math; like, > when one uses ray-tracing or "geometric optics" > a la Newton, and then assumes that the wave is akin > to a mere "ray" of light (which is really just a sort > of dual method to Huyghens wavelets -- just because > the "line of sight" is more or less, y'know, linear). > > > > What and how does a Michelson interferometer measure? > > --Light: A History!http://wlym.com
From: mpc755 on 23 Apr 2010 16:53 On Apr 23, 2:01 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 23, 12:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 23, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 23, 12:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 23, 12:01 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 22, 10:32 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dear mpc755: I read that delightful little book in which A. A. > > > > > Michelson wrote the quote you cite. My "varying ether flow and > > > > > density" is the unifying discovery in all of nature. Michelson would > > > > > be thrilled that I found out why his experiment didn't work (no > > > > > control), and thrilled that I have found the grand unification > > > > > mechanism for all of nature. The latter is varying pressure and > > > > > velocity, much like in weather systems on Earth. But the ether ISN'T > > > > > displaced by matter! Ether flows THROUGH matter, only to be slowed by > > > > > the nuclei, in proportion to the mass. When you can realize that > > > > > fact, you and I will be on the same track. NoEinstein > > > > > In the quote Michelson discuss aether displacement, "an aether > > > > displacement to the electric current". This is conceptually the same > > > > as Maxwell's displacement current. > > > > Actually, no. Displacement current and aether displacement have > > > absolutely nothing to do with each other. Please return to the > > > starting line and try again. > > > You must have missed this post: > > You must have missed the point of my statement, which is that > *Maxwell's* displacement current, which has nothing to do with > anything that de Broglie ever did, also has nothing to do with aether > displacement. So you are either wrong, or a bald-faced liar. Which is > it? You must have missed this post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie "This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving particle or object had an associated wave." 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located." de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. For example, in the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi... There are waves propagating both the red and blue paths towards D0. One of the downgraded photon 'particles' is traveling either the red or blue path towards D0. The lens causes the waves to create interference which alters the direction the particle travels. One set of downgraded photons is creating one of the interference patterns at D0 and the other set of downgraded photons is creating the other. It's all very easy to understand once you realize 'delayed-choice', 'quantum eraser', and the future determining the past is simply misinterpreting what is occurring in nature. In the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained. This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon travels either the red or blue path towards the prism. There are physical waves in the aether propagating both the red and blue paths. The aether waves propagating towards D0 interact with the lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the 'down' photons when they arrive at D0. Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3. Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave in the aether to interfere with and there is no interference pattern and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4. Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down' photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the aether traveling both the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all 'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are creating at D0. Figures 3 and 4 here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums. Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the aether are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Experiments which will provide evidence of Aether Displacement: Experiment #1: Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the interference patterns created at D0. Experiment #2: Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Your inability to physically explain the following is evidence you feign hypothesis: - The future determining the past - Virtual particles which exist out of nothing - Conservation of momentum does not apply to a downgraded photon pair - A C-60 molecule can enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in momentum. - Matter causes physical space to be 'unflat' but not move The following are the most correct physical explanations to date: - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - The aether displaced by the matter which are the plates extends past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the plates forces the plates together - Conservation of momentum does apply to a downgraded photon pair. When a photon is detected its wave collapses which determines its spin. In order for the original photons momentum to be conserved, the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - Physical space is displaced by matter. Aether is displaced by matter.
From: mpc755 on 23 Apr 2010 16:56 On Apr 23, 3:03 pm, john <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote: > On Apr 23, 12:01 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 23, 12:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 23, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 23, 12:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 23, 12:01 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 10:32 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear mpc755: I read that delightful little book in which A. A. > > > > > > Michelson wrote the quote you cite. My "varying ether flow and > > > > > > density" is the unifying discovery in all of nature. Michelson would > > > > > > be thrilled that I found out why his experiment didn't work (no > > > > > > control), and thrilled that I have found the grand unification > > > > > > mechanism for all of nature. The latter is varying pressure and > > > > > > velocity, much like in weather systems on Earth. But the ether ISN'T > > > > > > displaced by matter! Ether flows THROUGH matter, only to be slowed by > > > > > > the nuclei, in proportion to the mass. When you can realize that > > > > > > fact, you and I will be on the same track. NoEinstein > > > > > > In the quote Michelson discuss aether displacement, "an aether > > > > > displacement to the electric current". This is conceptually the same > > > > > as Maxwell's displacement current. > > > > > Actually, no. Displacement current and aether displacement have > > > > absolutely nothing to do with each other. Please return to the > > > > starting line and try again. > > > > You must have missed this post: > > > You must have missed the point of my statement, which is that > > *Maxwell's* displacement current, which has nothing to do with > > anything that de Broglie ever did, also has nothing to do with aether > > displacement. So you are either wrong, or a bald-faced liar. Which is > > it?- > > Ridiculous. > > What is aether? > No-one has the slightest idea. > Maybe it's neutrinos of selected frequencies. > How do you 'displace' that? > > You're arguing about the size of fairies' peckers. > Maybe they don't have any! > No-one's ever pissed beside one and looked. > > Describe your 'aether'. > What is it made from? > > john Aether and matter are different states of the same material. Aether is displaced by matter. Displacement creates pressure. Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. 'Frictionless supersolid a step closer' http://www.physorg.com/news185201084.html "Superfluidity and superconductivity cause particles to move without friction. Koos Gubbels investigated under what conditions such particles keep moving endlessly without losing energy, like a swimmer who takes one mighty stroke and then keeps gliding forever along the swimming pool." In the analogy the swimmer is any body and the water is the aether. Just as the swimmer displaces the water, whether the swimmer is at rest with respect to the water, or not, a body displaces the aether, whether the body is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. In the analogy the moving swimmer creates a displacement wave in the water. A moving body creates a displacement wave in the aether. 'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum medium and the inertial motion of particles' http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0701/0701155.pdf "Abstract: The similarity between the energy spectra of relativistic particles and that of quasi-particles in super-conductivity BCS theory makes us conjecture that the relativistic physical vacuum medium as the ground state of the background field is a super fluid medium, and the rest mass of a relativistic particle is like the energy gap of a quasi-particle. This conjecture is strongly supported by the results of our following investigation: a particle moving through the vacuum medium at a speed less than the speed of light in vacuum, though interacting with the vacuum medium, never feels friction force and thus undergoes a frictionless and inertial motion." A particle in the super fluid medium displaces the super fluid medium, whether the particle is at rest with respect to the super fluid medium, or not. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the super fluid medium. A particle in the aether displaces the aether, whether the particle is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. The particle could be an individual nucleus. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the aether. Aether is displaced by an individual nucleus. When discussing gravity as the pressure associated with the aether displaced by matter, what is being discussed is the aether being displaced by each and every nucleus which is the matter which is the object. 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located." de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In Aether Displacement (AD), the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. A C-60 molecule displaces the aether. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits the available slits. When the aether displacement wave exits the slits it creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference. The Casimir Effect is caused by gravity. Each and every nucleus which is the matter which is the plate displaces the aether. The aether displaced by one plate extends past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the plates forces the plates together. 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "These are essentially based on the way in which quantities respectively characterizing the regular v wave and the internal u0 wave of the particle connect with the neighbourhood of the singular region. u0 would have to increase very sharply as one penetrates the singular region." This is similar to Einstein's concept of: 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places". There is a connectedness between the particle and the neighborhood. There is a connectedness between the matter and the aether. The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the aether's state of displacement. 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. EINSTEIN' http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy. In AD, mass is conserved. The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth "causing the GPS clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites [to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground." (quoted text from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS). The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you looked up from the surface of the Earth to 'see' the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still 'flowing' west to east but not at the same rate as the surface of the Earth. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors are the corresponding standard deviations." Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a greater aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock to tick faster. There is a train and an embankment. "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" - Albert Einstein Relative to the train and the embankment the state of the aether is most determined by its connections with the matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is more 'localized' with respect to the embankment than it is to the train. Three Observers get together at M'. They each hold an atomic clock. They synchronize their clocks. One Observer begins to walk to B'. As the Observer walks to B' the observer, and the clock, are walking against the 'flow' of aether. This increases the aether pressure on the clock and causes the clock to tick slower. The Observer walking the clock to A' is walking with the 'flow' of aether which reduces the pressure associated with the aether on the atomic clock and the atomic clock ticks faster. When the Observers get to A' and B' their clocks are once again under the same amount of aether pressure as is the clock at M' and all three clocks tick at the same rate. Let's assume the clocks at A', M', and B' read 12:00:05, 12:00:03, and 12:00:01 respectively when they are at A', M', and B'. A flash of light occurs at A/A' and B/B'. The light arrives at M simultaneously. The flash of light occurs at B' when the clock at B' reads 12:00:01. The flash of light occurs at A' when the clock at A' reads 12:00:05. The light from B' propagates with the 'flow' of aether and takes 5 seconds to reach M'. The light from A' propagates against the 'flow' of aether and takes 9 seconds to reach M'. The light from the lightning strike at B/B' arrives at M' when the clock at M' reads 12:00:08. The light from the lightning strike at A/A' arrives at M' when the clock at M' reads 12:00:12. The three Observers get back together to discuss the experiment. The Observer at B' says the flash at B' occurred at 12:00:01. The Observer at A' says the flash of light at A' occurred at 12:00:05. The Observer at M' says the flash from B' arrived at 12:00:08 and the flash from A' arrived at 12:00:12. The Observers conclude the lightning strikes were not simultaneous and the light propagated at 'c' from B' to M' and propagated at 'c' from A' to M' and both sets of light waves took 7 seconds to arrive at M'. If the Observers on the train knew their state with respect to the state of the aether then the Observers would have been able to determine the rate at which their clocks ticked as they were walked to A' and B' and they would have been able to conclude the lightning strikes occurred simultaneously, in nature. Light propagates at 'c' with respect to the aether. The following is an explanation of what occurs in nature in a 'delayed choice quantum eraser' experiment. Following the explanation are two experiments which will provide evidence of Aether Displacement. In the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained. This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon travels either the red or blue path towards the prism. There are physical waves in the aether propagating both the red and blue paths. The aether waves propagating towards D0 interact with the lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the 'down' photons when they arrive at D0. Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3. Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave in the aether to interfere with and there is no interference pattern and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4. Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down' photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the aether traveling both the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all 'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are creating at D0. Figures 3 and 4 here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums. Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the aether are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Experiments which will provide evidence of Aether Displacement: Experiment #1: Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the interference patterns created at D0. Experiment #2: Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the direction the photon 'particle' travels.
From: spudnik on 22 Apr 2010 14:24
R. Bucky Fuller was a funny guy, and your spiel about orbit is a perfect counter to his blather about pi. on the other hand, the vast majority of earth scientists don't know spherical trig., which Bucky did, in the command of a naval vessel, just before radio came in (in their GCMs etc., the poles are singularities, as in a Mercator projection ... but the space-science folks are *all* about the poles .-) see color plates one & two in _Synergetics_. http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/synergetics.html > And when the Earth orbits the sun, how often does it make a quick turn > at a corner between two straight-line segments? And what kicks the > Earth from one segment to the next? thus: space-time is merely ordinary phase-space, properly seen, a la Lanczos' use of quaternions -- Death to the lightcone; long-live the lightcone-heads! so, are biquaternions non-associative, like octonions? poor Minkowski, made his bizzare slogan about time *qua* the graphed *function* on a piece of paper, and then he died, and that ain't electronics *or* rocketscience (like Bucky saith, It is *all* rocketscience .-) the great geometer Minkowski, alas, puts his pants on, one lightcone at a time, like any one else. --No Cap and Trade Bailout for Wall Street and The City! to whom it concerns; as I comprehend it, after briefly speaking with Waxman at UCLA, his bill does the same as his '91 cap&trade bill under HW, on SO2 and NOx (viz, acid rain); that is, it is just a "free trade" nostrum. if Dubya had known that Kyoto was just another cap&trade "free trade" nostrum, I'm sure that he would have signed it, since he has been thoroughly indoctrinated in the MBA school on "British Liberal Free Trade" (cotton, sugar & slavery etc., why the British organized and supported Secession with ships & materiel) -- what the Revolution was mainly about -- not just, Taxation without representation, as a la the Tea Party effetes and the Encyclopedia Brittaninca! Waxman perhaps has been too long on the job; when I spoke to him at the Faculty Center, he seemed to be on drugs, two, a marked difference form when I saw him in P.Palisades. anyway, as I asked him, why can't we just have a very small Carbon Tax, instead of letting the arbitrageurs run the bull & bear hijinx? as they say, the bears make money, the bulls make money, and the hogs always get slaughtered. none of the (two) experts, I have read or asked, thought that a tax would work as well, but that it was somehow politically impossible. --sooner,bri |