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From: Rhonda Lea Kirk on 1 Feb 2007 06:47 kurt wismer wrote: > David H. Lipman wrote: >> From: {someone in my killfile} >>> kurt wismer wrote: >>>> David H. Lipman wrote: >>>> [snip] >>>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once >>>>> creators. >>>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers >>>> and/or ex virus writers'... >>>> >>>> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts >>> >>> We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation. >>> Therefore, when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another >>> chance. >>> >>> How does that make for a conspiracy? >>> >>>> you're going to have to >>>> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please... >>> >>> How does your desire to be in the know supersede another's right to >>> privacy? > > a claim was made, it's accuracy is in question, the burden of proof > lies with the claimant... He doesn't have to prove it, unless he really cares to have you believe his assertion is true. >> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry >> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in >> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a >> major source. > > yeah, so about that burden... You're assuming that he owes you an explanation. -- Rhonda Lea Kirk Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is willing to inflict on others. Ph�dre n� Delaunay
From: optikl on 1 Feb 2007 07:59 "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:epre7k$pst$1(a)blackhelicopter.databasix.com... > kurt wismer wrote: >> David H. Lipman wrote: >> [snip] >>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once >>> creators. >> >> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or >> ex virus writers'... >> >> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts > > We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation. Therefore, > when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another chance. > Could you be more specific about which society you speak of? This is a rather broad audience.
From: Rhonda Lea Kirk on 1 Feb 2007 08:19 optikl wrote: > "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:epre7k$pst$1(a)blackhelicopter.databasix.com... >> kurt wismer wrote: >>> David H. Lipman wrote: >>> [snip] >>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once >>>> creators. >>> >>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers >>> and/or ex virus writers'... >>> >>> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts >> >> We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation. >> Therefore, when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another >> chance. > Could you be more specific about which society you speak of? Most societies, actually. There are very few places left where one cannot expect a second chance for less than major crimes. > This is a > rather broad audience. I'll wait to hear from someone in the audience who lives in a society that does not believe in rehabilitation. If you want to make an argument that says ex-virus writers must not be allowed to work in the antivirus industry, make that argument. I'm not going to debate this, because it's a strawman, even if I inadvertantly set it up for you because I didn't express an idea as carefully as I could have done. -- Rhonda Lea Kirk Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is willing to inflict on others. Ph�dre n� Delaunay
From: Dustin Cook on 1 Feb 2007 18:52 "4Q" <paul_zest(a)hushmail.com> wrote in news:1170283491.286718.178160(a)j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com: > David H. Lipman wrote: >> From: "4Q" <paul_zest(a)hushmail.com> >> >> >> | >> | See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource >> | and your peers can vouch for your integrity. >> | >> | 4Q >> >> BugHunter is clean of malware and does not exibit any form of >> exploitation. > > It's so nice to see one of Dustin's fellow anti-malware colleagues > come forth to vouch for him! (I see a super hero duo being formed > here ;]]) Like I said, I don't need open source. I do have people who can vouch for me, well respected individuals. My past is exactly that, the past. People won't be able to look down on me forever. When I hit 10,000 or more hits, can anyone really still deny BugHunter's usefulness? Regardless of the fact an ex-Vxer wrote it. > & Dustin Cook as 'Robin(red breast)' <-- no picture or costume yet?!? > working on it *grin* I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me for your sites. Ok? Perhaps when people can link a face to me, they won't think of me as low as some do now. :) > So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to be > strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick, > Lipman! ;]] I believe I have David's trust, atleast some. :) -- Dustin Cook Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1 web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk email: bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com.removethis Last updated: January 30th, 2007
From: Dustin Cook on 1 Feb 2007 19:01
kurt wismer <kurtw(a)sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1(a)aioe.org: > David H. Lipman wrote: > [snip] >> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once >> creators. > > which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or > ex virus writers'... The antivirus industry as a whole is bigger than a few companies that are household names. While this might surprise you, I was on a first name basis years ago with several Antivirus persons. I won't tell you who they are, so you can either believe me or not. I only mentioned the fact I corresponded with a few for the point I hope to make easy enough to follow. :) > if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts you're going to have to > pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please... This is something that simply shouldn't be done. Seriously. Some persons take vxers/exvxers very wrongly. Serious misunderstanding about the type of persons we usually are. The antivirus companies of course make no effort to change this public image. In some cases, the company itself may not even be aware of ones online history, depending on how that person chose to be. Some people are different online than they are in real life. Others, like myself, Are the same online as we are in real life. I do not maintain dual personalities etc, As a programmer, I'm lazy, and that's just too damn time consuming. What you see is what you get with me. Case in point, If I'm willing to tell you to go away or get fucked online, you can be rest assured regardless of how big or who you are, I'd do the same in real life as well. I'm very upfront and to the point, it's the way I was brought up. Some people consider this rude right off the bat, even when I didn't intend to be. I have known you for a very long time, and I do hold you in high respect, but I wouldn't if I was David be able to provide evidence in this case, not because their isn't any, but because those individuals activities under their assumed identity should not become public knowledge with a real name unless those authors choose to do so, like stormbringer and myself. Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a usenet poster is just to risky and immature. Nothing is really gained by this. David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that rumour live. In most cases, those involved in the antimalware side of things are not actively coding viruses. If they're still even maintaining contact with other Vxers, their time is spent writing/testing productive code. Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white. Rhonda, I've read your comments lately discussing the matter, for some reason, it almost looks like you and I agree. With your permission, I'd like to email you and remove you from my killfile. -- Dustin Cook Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1 web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk email: bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com.removethis Last updated: January 30th, 2007 |