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From: Bill Graham on 14 Nov 2009 19:46 "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message news:O8CdnSZf6IiwXGPXnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> wrote in message > news:ibtsf5dl23b750ri1n7ad4vn3s0lnujme7(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:18:29 -0500, "Neil Harrington" >> <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>"J�rgen Exner" <jurgenex(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:r48sf5hvnn2lu320s5prvsp7agi8aar9ff(a)4ax.com... >>>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote: >>>>>As a unit of liquid measure, the cup is what it is and does not have >>>>>any >>>>>particular relationship to the amount of coffee you're served in a cup. >>>> >>>> Then if the unit "cup" doesn't have a relationship to a cup of beverage >>>> then what is the specific benefit of having that unit "cup" instead of >>>> using e.g 1/4 liter? >>> >>>Cups (and mugs) come in a wide range of sizes. It's convenient to have a >>>specific unit of measure, and there is one, called a cup, regardless of >>>its >>>relationship or non-relationship to any real-world cups. If your >>>complaint >>>that it shouldn't in that case be called a cup, very well, but most words >>>in >>>the English language have more than one meaning and this is just such a >>>case. I'm sure most housewives understand that when a recipe or whatever >>>calls for an amount like 1/2 cup, it's the standard measure that's >>>referred >>>to and not half of an actual cup. Context is everything in the language. >>> >> >> The problem is there is no such thing as a 'standard measure'. If you >> don't believe me you should try making a recipe with the units of >> measure different from the country it was written in. One of the >> advantages of the SI 250 ml cup is that adopting it means that >> everyone has to abondon their old units of measure. There is no longer >> any arguing over which one is the right one. > > Not a problem here, as far as I know. > > Googling it I find the following (from Wikipedia): > > There is no internationally-agreed standard definition of the cup, whose > modern volume ranges between 200 and 284 millilitres.[1] The cup sizes > generally used in the many Commonwealth countries and the United States > differ by up to 44 mL (1.5 fl oz). > > No matter what size cup is used, all the ingredients measured with the > same size cup will be in the same proportion to one another, although not > to ingredients measured differently (by weight, teaspoons, etc.). > > Commonwealth of Nations > Imperial cup > The imperial cup is unofficially defined as half an imperial pint. > 1 imperial cup = 0.5 imperial pints > = 2 imperial gills > = 10 imperial fluid ounces > = 284 millilitres > ? 19 international tablespoons[2][3] > ? 14� Australian tablespoons[4] > ? 1.20 U.S. customary cups > ? 9.61 U.S. customary fluid ounces > > Metric cup > In Australia, Canada, New Zealand one cup is commonly defined as 250 > millilitres. > 1 metric cup = 250 millilitres > = 16? international tablespoons (15 mL each) > = 12� Australian tablespoons > ? 8.80 imperial fluid ounces > ? 8.45 U.S. customary fluid ounces > > United States > United States customary cup > United States customary cup is defined as half a U.S. pint. > 1 U.S. customary cup = 0.5 U.S. customary pints > = 2 U.S. customary gills > = 8 U.S. customary fluid ounces > = 16 U.S. customary tablespoons > = 237 millilitres > ? 15? international tablespoons[5] > ? 11� Australian tablespoons > ? 0.833 imperial cups > ? 8.33 imperial fluid ounces > > United States "legal" cup > The cup currently used in the United States for nutrition labelling is > defined in United States law as 240 mL.[6][7][8] > 1 U.S. "legal" cup = 240 millilitres > = 16 international tablespoons > = 12 Australian tablespoons > ? 8.12 U.S. customary fluid ounces > ? 8.45 imperial fluid ounces > > Japan > Japanese cup > The Japanese cup is currently defined as 200 mL. > 1 Japanese cup = 200 millilitres > ? 7.04 imperial fluid ounces > ? 6.76 U.S. customary fluid ounces > > Go > The traditional Japanese cup, the go, is approximately 180 mL. 10 go make > one sho, the traditional flask size, approximately 1.8 litres. Go cups are > typically used for measuring rice, and sake is typically sold by both the > cup (180 mL) and flask (1.8 litre) sizes. > > 1 go = 2401?13310 litres[9] > ? 180 millilitres > ? 6.35 imperial fluid ounces > ? 6.10 U.S. customary fluid ounces > > > I hope the formating of that doesn't screw up too badly when posting. > Sounds like a good system to me. I think I'll write a letter to my friends at Stanford and see if they want to adopt it.....
From: George Kerby on 14 Nov 2009 19:47 On 11/14/09 12:03 PM, in article -4adndaSj_OZbGPXnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)giganews.com, "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote: > > "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message > news:2009111407313133169-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >> On 2009-11-14 06:58:27 -0800, George Kerby <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com> >> said: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/14/09 4:55 AM, in article >>> 2009111402550242612-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck" >>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2009-11-14 02:53:09 -0800, Savageduck >>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> >>>> said: >>>> >>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:30:45 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au> >>>>> said: >>>>> >>>>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>>>> Wilba said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because when >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to >>>>>>>> protect >>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> road, >>>>>>>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. Apparently >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> effect is statistically significant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the left. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- ) >>>>> >>>>> Note the driver on the left. >>>>> >>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.p >>> n>> >>> g >>>> >>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left. >>>> Now I don't know my left from my right! >>> The negative was flopped...? >> >> Aah! The Billy The Kid, left hand gun paradox. > > Yep. To this day, many (probably most) people still believe that Henry > "Billy the Kid" McCarty was left-handed. One of the movies about him, "The > Left Handed Gun," has surely contributed to that falsehood. > > Duly noted...
From: Bill Graham on 14 Nov 2009 19:52 "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message news:-4adndaSj_OZbGPXnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message > news:2009111407313133169-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >> On 2009-11-14 06:58:27 -0800, George Kerby <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com> >> said: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/14/09 4:55 AM, in article >>> 2009111402550242612-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck" >>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2009-11-14 02:53:09 -0800, Savageduck >>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> >>>> said: >>>> >>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:30:45 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au> >>>>> said: >>>>> >>>>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>>>> Wilba said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because >>>>>>>> when a >>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to >>>>>>>> protect >>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> road, >>>>>>>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. Apparently >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> effect is statistically significant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, >>>>>>> shotgun on >>>>>>> the left. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- ) >>>>> >>>>> Note the driver on the left. >>>>> >>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.pn>> >>> g >>>> >>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left. >>>> Now I don't know my left from my right! >>> The negative was flopped...? >> >> Aah! The Billy The Kid, left hand gun paradox. > > Yep. To this day, many (probably most) people still believe that Henry > "Billy the Kid" McCarty was left-handed. One of the movies about him, "The > Left Handed Gun," has surely contributed to that falsehood. > > Maybe they printed some of his earlier photos backwards.....:^)
From: Wilba on 14 Nov 2009 20:01 Savageduck wrote: > Wilba said: >> Savageduck wrote: >>> Savageduck said: >>>> Wilba said: >>>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>>> Wilba said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because when >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to >>>>>>> protect >>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> road, 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. >>>>>>> Apparently the effect is statistically significant. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where >>>>>> the >>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun >>>>>> on >>>>>> the left. >>>>> >>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- ) >>>> >>>> Note the driver on the left. >>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.png >>> >>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left. >>> Now I don't know my left from my right! >> >> I worked that out. :- ) >> >> I wonder why they did it that way, since the driver is on the ejector >> side...? Maybe the convention pre-dates the widespread use of repeating >> rifles. > > I think it was a case of right handed shotgun shooters out numbering left > handed shooters. That way they wouldn't have to replace a driver every > time a left handed guard blew the driver away. Maybe a qualification for > shotgun guards was to be right handed. > > Maybe there was a rule of the road that stagecoach robbers had a "rob from > left side" only sense of etiquette. ;-) As so many things do, I bet if you dug deep enough you could trace it back to ancient Rome, and chariots. :- )
From: Wilba on 14 Nov 2009 20:03
Bill Graham wrote: > Savageduck wrote: >> Wilba said: >>> Savageduck wrote: >>>> Savageduck said: >>>>> Wilba said: >>>>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>>>> Wilba said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because >>>>>>>> when a >>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to >>>>>>>> protect >>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> road, 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. >>>>>>>> Apparently the effect is statistically significant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, >>>>>>> shotgun >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the left. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- ) >>>>> >>>>> Note the driver on the left. >>>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.png >>>> >>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left. >>>> Now I don't know my left from my right! >>> >>> I worked that out. :- ) >>> >>> I wonder why they did it that way, since the driver is on the ejector >>> side...? Maybe the convention pre-dates the widespread use of repeating >>> rifles. >> >> I think it was a case of right handed shotgun shooters out numbering left >> handed shooters. That way they wouldn't have to replace a driver every >> time a left handed guard blew the driver away. Maybe a qualification for >> shotgun guards was to be right handed. >> >> Maybe there was a rule of the road that stagecoach robbers had a "rob >> from left side" only sense of etiquette. ;-) > > Maybe it had something to do with which side the shells were ejected from > when the rifle action was worked....It would be very annoying to the > driver if the hot shell casings were ejected into his face while he was > trying to get away from the bad guys..... But in that photo the driver is on the ejector side. |