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From: Chris H on 16 Nov 2009 10:31 In message <2009111606474899097-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes >On 2009-11-16 06:07:32 -0800, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said: > >> In message <2009111605502095335-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes >>> On 2009-11-16 01:00:35 -0800, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> said: >>> >>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:25:50 -0800, "Bill Graham" >>>><weg9(a)comcast.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:DOydnQgIzaeZCmLXnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>> "Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> wrote in message >>>>>> news:t28uf5hjm52ous6p5d4sren7rv8k86agfo(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:03:47 -0500, "Neil Harrington" >>>>>>> <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Blame Napoleon. He laid down the law for France and at the >>>>>>> beginning >>>>>>> of the 20th century France dominated the automobile industry. >>>>>> But sans Napoleon. >>>>>> >>>>> Hummmm.....I wonder if France had stagecoaches before their >>>>> automobiles, and >>>>> if so, were they operated from the left or right sides? >>>> Where ever they were operated from, ever since Napoleon they drove >>>> on >>>> the right. >>> Cite. You authority is in as much doubt as ours. >> I would be interested too... though it sounds plausible. Napoleon >>was >> into Standards and making France the Centre Of The World. > >Napoleon might have set the French standard just to be different to the >English. Shirley not? :-) Mind you The US did it just to be different to Europe. It was all political >The bottom line is, one way or another we are all stuck in history. And doomed to repeat it! -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: Savageduck on 16 Nov 2009 11:01 On 2009-11-16 07:31:45 -0800, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said: > In message <2009111606474899097-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes >> On 2009-11-16 06:07:32 -0800, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said: >> >>> In message <2009111605502095335-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck >>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes >>>> On 2009-11-16 01:00:35 -0800, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> said: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:25:50 -0800, "Bill Graham" >>>>> <weg9(a)comcast.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:DOydnQgIzaeZCmLXnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>> "Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens(a)sum.co.nz> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:t28uf5hjm52ous6p5d4sren7rv8k86agfo(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:03:47 -0500, "Neil Harrington" >>>>>>>> <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> Blame Napoleon. He laid down the law for France and at the >>>>>>>> beginning >>>>>>>> of the 20th century France dominated the automobile industry. >>>>>>> But sans Napoleon. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hummmm.....I wonder if France had stagecoaches before their >>>>>> automobiles, and >>>>>> if so, were they operated from the left or right sides? >>>>> Where ever they were operated from, ever since Napoleon they drove >>>>> on >>>>> the right. >>>> Cite. You authority is in as much doubt as ours. >>> I would be interested too... though it sounds plausible. Napoleon >>> was >>> into Standards and making France the Centre Of The World. >> >> Napoleon might have set the French standard just to be different to the >> English. > > Shirley not? :-) Don't call me Shirley! > > Mind you The US did it just to be different to Europe. It was all > political If that were true we would all be riding pogo sticks, and who knows we might be soon enough. > >> The bottom line is, one way or another we are all stuck in history. > > And doomed to repeat it! Actually Santayana wrote, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Santayana's Law of Repetitive Consequences. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: tony cooper on 16 Nov 2009 11:20 On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:19:43 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >In message <pcq2g5lvb9cibin55fnructdunko0sr6ls(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper ><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:04:02 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>wrote: >> >>>The US will have to use the International systems when talking to the >>>rest of the world. This means doing lots of conversions, holding dual >>>stock etc >>> >>>For example the whole world uses ISO A4 and the US uses US letter.... so >>>when the US want to communicate with the rest of the world it has to use >>>A4 and for internal use uses Letter. >> >>Are you saying that if an American - individual or corporate entity - >>wants to send a letter to a foreign entity that the letter must be on >>A4 paper for the foreign entity to read it? > >No. That would be silly > >> That non-Americans are >>unable to understand something because it is written on paper that is >>8.5" x 11"? >>You've said some stupid things because of your anti-American bias, but >>this tops most of them. > >If you want to send a paper to a conference, to a standards organisation >etc or an official document to a Government etc then Yes it will have >to go on A4 paper. Why would that be a problem for us? Anyone in the position of sending things to an international conference or standards organization would be able to format their word processing to A4 and slip A4 paper in their printer. I doubt, though, that another government entity would refuse a paper on US letter stock. Our government would not refuse a letter from your government because the paper size was not the same as ours. Do you seriously think that we would scrap billions of dollars worth of filing cabinets, file folders, and paper stock because twits like you have their knickers in a twist because we don't march to your drummer? By the way, was Gordon Brown's "hastily scrawled note", spelling the name incorrectly, to Jamie's mother on the proper paper? We don't refuse your sales literature because it doesn't fit our racks. Although, that's not really a salient point because their aren't that many UK-made products that we're interested in buying. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on 16 Nov 2009 11:21 On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:29:38 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >In message <cnq2g5tp8hnehc3iu4i36m5p4i932deuse(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper ><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:21:54 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>wrote: >> >>>SO a revolver jam is usually fatal. This is why autos have a reputation >>>for jamming, people cleared them and lived to tell the tail. >> >>So they had a brush with death? >> >>(I'm sure that pun is over your head, so I'll explain that a fox's >>tail is called a "brush".) > >I used to live in Gloucestershire. They didn't teach you about homonyms, and when to use "tale" and when to use "tail", there? -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Tzortzakakis Dimitrios on 16 Nov 2009 11:32
? "Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> ?????? ??? ?????? news:gX++zyMutWALFAiV(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... > In message <gZGdnYq9CITE_5zWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil > Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes >> >>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >>news:UWxjDpHSvVALFAUi(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>> In message <c-CdnXIhyIZ0ypzWnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Neil >>> Harrington <secret(a)illumnati.net> writes >>>> >>>>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message >>>>news:vhLdubL4YBALFAxO(a)phaedsys.demon.co.uk... >>>>> In message <1e00g51800npsuco24380ml1u76jrfa7lf(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper >>>>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >>>>>>On 15 Nov 2009 06:48:13 GMT, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:03:59 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton" >>>>>>>><nospamclayton(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>US units are a shambolic mess, inconsistent with each other and >>>>>>>>>almost >>>>>>>>>completely irrational for dealing with the real world. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And yet we manage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Only just. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The world that each of us lives in is the "real world". We, who >>>>>>>>live >>>>>>>>in the US, have no problem dealing with our system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"No problem"?? How many yards in a mile? How many feet in a quarter >>>>>>>mile? How many teaspoons in a cup? If you don't know those offhand >>>>>>>then you obviously have problems dealing with the system. >>>>>> >>>>>>If you have a legitimate example of how we have a problem with the >>>>>>system, then state it. >>>>> >>>>> Interfacing with the rest of the world. >>>> >>>>What specifically is the problem? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units > >>> >>> For example the whole world uses ISO A4 and the US uses US letter.... so >>> when the US want to communicate with the rest of the world it has to use >>> A4 and for internal use uses Letter. >> >>Why? I have sent letters to European companies using our letter size and >>received replies from them, probably on their A4 size (they're close >>enough >>that I never noticed any difference). Where's the problem? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size > > http://betweenborders.com/wordsmithing/a4-vs-us-letter/ > > For a lot of Official use it has to be on A sizes. Also Letter size > advertising does not fit standard size literature racks. It is getting > better as more of the US uses International standards. > >>> Dates are another problem the whole world bar the USA uses DD/MM/YY and >>> the US uses MM/DD/YY it causes problems. >> >>Again, not a problem. If I write "November 16" and you write "16 >>November," >>do either of us misunderstand the other? Besides, your statement is not >>quite correct. > > True but if I write 9/11/2001 when is it? November or September? Well > everywhere except the US it is November. Though obviously "9/11" has a > life of it's own. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 > >> MM/DD/YY is our standard civilian form, but our military has >>used DD/MM/YY for many years. > > It had to as the US military needed to talk to people other than US > civilians. As I said it is only a problem where the US wants to talk to > the rest of the world. If having the worlds largest army does not help > then eventually you will have to change.... BTW that is why the US now > uses 9mm rather than .45 and NATO uses 556 rather than 7.62 > We used .45 browning pistols, the BMG .50 cartridge (API) and the standard 7.62 (.30) NATO caliber. 5.56 is a smaller calliber (I think .20) which is supposed to be more humane to the target, thus the person being shot. That was the greek mechanized infantry. Of course, all the fluids are measured in liters, the tank (G 127 "Leonidas" armored fighting vehicle) has 2 tanks with each 181 liters of diesel which give it an endurance of 520 km. >> That causes no problems here either. My >>sister, an ex-Navy employee retired for several years, still writes dates >>that way. > > There is a joke about that. > > Small split military /civil airfield in the US... > > Unidentified aircraft: Tower, Time check please! > Tower: Civil or Military? > Unidentified aircraft: What difference does it make? > Tower: If you are Army it is 15:00 if you are Civil it is 3 O'clock. > Unidentified aircraft: We are Marines. > Tower: It's Mid Afternoon! > :-))) > > >>And don't the Japanese still use YY/MM/DD? That is really the most logical >>system of all, since it automatically sorts dates correctly which neither >>our methods nor yours do. If we're going to change at all, we should >>change >>to the Japanese system. > Not at all That is the ISO system > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format#Date_format > > There is bug endian (year first) and smal end (day first) but in either > case it is D M Y or Y M D in various forms. But always in unit > progression. > > >>> It is no conscience to Americans who only interact with other Americans >>> but as soon as Americans have to interact externally it will cause >>> Americans problems, time and money. >> >>It never has so far, that I know of. You are straining mightily to produce >>an argument for an insupportable position. > > It is the reason why until very recently no one knew what had happened > to Glen Miller. > > The whilst the US continues to work to different standards to the rest > of the world there will be problems where conversions and interfaces > occur. It cost Glenn Miller his life. > -- Tzortzakakis Dimitrios major in electrical engineering mechanized infantry reservist hordad AT otenet DOT gr |