From: George Kerby on



On 7/5/10 12:47 PM, in article 89ek5hF852U19(a)mid.individual.net, "ray"
<ray(a)zianet.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:48:32 -0500, George Kerby wrote:
>
>> On 7/5/10 9:42 AM, in article 89e9afF852U17(a)mid.individual.net, "ray"
>> <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 06:33:42 -0500, Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 14:03:10 +0000, ray wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 01:10:42 -0700, james wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SDxx card have equaled or bettered CF card. Is there a good reason
>>>>>> why high end DSLRs still use CF cards? This actually seems like a
>>>>>> turn-off, not a feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think one significant reason is that many purchasers are repeat
>>>>> buyers - they already HAVE CF cards. IMHO - best route is to make a
>>>>> camera capable of using CF and SD.����O$
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who can afford A Canon eos 1Ds mk111 ? My pension won't run to it.
>>>
>>> Mine would, but I eschew Canon.
>>
>> Because?
>
> Because they have no support for Linux, I choose to not use their
> products and support folks who do.

So you don't use their hardware because it doesn't fit your software?

Man, that is something I never would have guessed.

BTW: I don't use the software either, but that doesn't keep me from using
the best hardware products on the market.

From: George Kerby on



On 7/5/10 2:00 PM, in article 89eoetF852U21(a)mid.individual.net, "ray"
<ray(a)zianet.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:27:13 -0700, otter wrote:
>
>> On Jul 5, 12:47?pm, ray <r...(a)zianet.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:48:32 -0500, George Kerby wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/10 9:42 AM, in article 89e9afF852...(a)mid.individual.net, "ray"
>>>> <r...(a)zianet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 06:33:42 -0500, Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 14:03:10 +0000, ray wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 01:10:42 -0700, james wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> SDxx card have equaled or bettered CF card. Is there a good
>>>>>>>> reason why high end DSLRs still use CF cards? This actually seems
>>>>>>>> like a turn-off, not a feature.
>>>
>>>>>>> I think one significant reason is that many purchasers are repeat
>>>>>>> buyers - they already HAVE CF cards. IMHO - best route is to make
>>>>>>> a camera capable of using CF and SD.����O$
>>>
>>>>>> Who can afford A Canon eos 1Ds mk111 ? My pension won't run to it.
>>>
>>>>> Mine would, but I eschew Canon.
>>>
>>>> Because?
>>>
>>> Because they have no support for Linux, I choose to not use their
>>> products and support folks who do.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> What Canon software do you really need to use? I use Adobe to import
>> RAW files from the camera, through the rest of the post-processing. Not
>> sure how well Photoshop works on Linux, but there is always GIMP. My
>> point is, though, you don't need to run any Canon software if you have a
>> Canon camera.
>
> Exactly correct. Canon makes other products besides cameras - for example
> printers - a great many of which make decent boat anchors, but thats'
> about it. When they support their product line in Linux, I'll consider
> their products.
>
> For the record, I routinely use ufraw and or dcraw and process further
> with GIMP (ufraw processing is usually sufficient). I'm in the habit of
> throwing away the CD's that come with computer peripherals - I know there
> will be nothing of use there - it's generally included with the OS anyway.

Yes. I will agree. Printers are the exception. I am in agreement: Canon
should stay with video/photo products but so be it...

From: ray on
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:05:09 -0500, George Kerby wrote:

> On 7/5/10 12:47 PM, in article 89ek5hF852U19(a)mid.individual.net, "ray"
> <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:48:32 -0500, George Kerby wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/5/10 9:42 AM, in article 89e9afF852U17(a)mid.individual.net, "ray"
>>> <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 06:33:42 -0500, Neil wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 14:03:10 +0000, ray wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 01:10:42 -0700, james wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SDxx card have equaled or bettered CF card. Is there a good reason
>>>>>>> why high end DSLRs still use CF cards? This actually seems like a
>>>>>>> turn-off, not a feature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think one significant reason is that many purchasers are repeat
>>>>>> buyers - they already HAVE CF cards. IMHO - best route is to make a
>>>>>> camera capable of using CF and SD.ÐøO$
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Who can afford A Canon eos 1Ds mk111 ? My pension won't run to it.
>>>>
>>>> Mine would, but I eschew Canon.
>>>
>>> Because?
>>
>> Because they have no support for Linux, I choose to not use their
>> products and support folks who do.
>
> So you don't use their hardware because it doesn't fit your software?

I don't use their hardware because of philosophical differences. I was
greatly turned off a number of years ago with a Canon winprinter.

>
> Man, that is something I never would have guessed.
>
> BTW: I don't use the software either, but that doesn't keep me from
> using the best hardware products on the market.

If I felt I were severely constrained, I might possibly rethink my
position - no evidence so far that I am.
From: nospam on
In article <8739vxv65f.fld(a)apaflo.com>, Floyd L. Davidson
<floyd(a)apaflo.com> wrote:

> His gain though, and ours, would be if they did support
> Linux.

linux users might benefit but the rest of the users (which is vastly
greater in number) will lose.

resources are limited. if a company puts their efforts into supporting
linux, that means they'll have less resources available for developing
other features that will benefit a larger number of users.

> They don't, so there is little reason to support
> them simply because there are virtually always other
> products from companies that do support Linux.

you have a nikon camera, they don't support linux but you bought it
anyway.
From: Paul Furman on
Robert Coe wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 17:37:33 -0400, "Neil Harrington"<nobody(a)homehere.net>
> wrote:
> :
> : "Gary Edstrom"<GEdstrom(a)PacBell.Net> wrote in message
> : news:4qc136hpdtfolfdg2t8scu5tikl3ubq8bk(a)4ax.com...
> :> On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 01:10:42 -0700, "james"<nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> :>
> :>>SDxx card have equaled or bettered CF card. Is there a good reason why
> :>>high
> :>>end DSLRs still use CF cards? This actually seems like a turn-off, not a
> :>>feature.
> :>
> :> Well, SD cards do have two advantages over CF cards:
> :> 1. Size and
> :> 2. Much less chance of bending pins inside the camera.
> :
> : I've read of that happening (bending pins) but I'm damned if I can see how
> : it's possible. In every camera I own that takes CF cards, the card is guided
> : so well into the camera, and the pin ends I presume are beveled, . . . how
> : can any pins get bent? I am reasonably clumsy but have never bent any CF
> : pins.
>
> I've done it in a crappy card reader.

Ditto... after about 8 years...