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From: Ray Fischer on 24 Jan 2010 13:51 Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >news:4b5bc760$0$1618$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>news:4b5b7a92$0$1677$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get >>>>>>>>>> screened >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However >>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the >>>>>>>>> government >>>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>>> >>>>>If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>>>get a replacement joint or not. >>>> >>>> And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >>> >>>You have no clue. >> >> Says a pro-lie rightard >> >>>It's easy to make a broad brush statement, >> >> Like the one you just made? > >More intriquiging logic. Pointing out your hypocrisy isn't "intriging". It's tiresomely easy. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 24 Jan 2010 13:56 tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:31:43 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >wrote: > >>In message <4b5b7a92$0$1677$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer >><rfischer(a)sonic.net> writes >>>tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and it >>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened for >>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the government >>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>> >>>>If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>>get a replacement joint or not. >>> >>>And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >> >>So the UK is a medical decision and the US is a commercial one. > >Is Ray Fischer someone you believe? Insurance companies do not make >decisions about whether or not a client has a knee replacement. Ever. LOL! I guess you've never heard of something called "prior approval". Maybe when you get to be an adult and actualy deal with insurance companies you'll learn how it really works. >They only have a say-so with procedures that are considered to be >elective. Duh! Knee surgery is elective. >An elective procedure is something like a gastric bypass. Or knee surgery. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 24 Jan 2010 13:58 Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2010-01-24, Ray Fischer <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote: >> Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>On 2010-01-24, Chris Malcolm <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >>>> Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>>> Government has killed more people than anything else in human history. >>>>> Government is fundamentally a criminal enterprise. Government and a >>>>> criminal gang with sufficent power are for all purposes the same thing. >>>> >>>> There are still some countries with no effective government at all you >>>> could go to. >>> >>>Where various criminal gangs battle to be the government. >> >> That's kind of what anarchy is. If you don't like government then you >> get to deal with thugs. > >no that's not what anarchy is. Government employs the thugs. No government, idiot. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 24 Jan 2010 14:01 tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:37:26 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >wrote: > >>In message <4b5b6002$1(a)news.x-privat.org>, rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> >>writes >>>Ray Fischer wrote: >>>> rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> wrote: >>>>> Ray Fischer wrote: >>>>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>>>>>>> According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually >>>>>>>> spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than >>>>>>>> the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not >>>>>>>> just 80% as per the USA. >>>>>>> Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by >>>>>>> some sort of health care program. >>>>>> Nope. >>>>> See: emergency room. >>>> See: Idiot rightard who doesn't realize that emergency room bills >>>>must be paid. >>>> >>> >>>Well of course they must, but then I never made such a statement, did I >>>lying Ray? >>> >>>You're a real bucket of barf. >> >>So who has to pay the emergency room bills? > >When an indigent patient is treated in an Emergency Room in the US, >the hospital may present them with a bill, but the hospital knows it >will not be able to collect the bill from the patient. Thus confirming that not everybody in the US has health insurance. > The hospital >then writes off the outstanding amount. And charges everybody else more. > An indigent patient is one >who has no money and no assets. They just walk away from any bills. And health care in the US costs twice as much per person. >The person without insurance who has a real problem in the US is the >ordinary citizen who does have some money, owns a house, or owns other >assets. The hospital will pursue this person for the money. They >will go to court and get a judgement for the amount. Health problems are a leading contributor to personal backruptcies in the US. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 24 Jan 2010 14:03
rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> wrote: >Chris H wrote: >> In message <4b5b6002$1(a)news.x-privat.org>, rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> >> writes >>> Ray Fischer wrote: >>>> rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> wrote: >>>>> Ray Fischer wrote: >>>>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>>>>>>> According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually >>>>>>>> spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than >>>>>>>> the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not >>>>>>>> just 80% as per the USA. >>>>>>> Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by >>>>>>> some sort of health care program. >>>>>> Nope. >>>>> See: emergency room. >>>> See: Idiot rightard who doesn't realize that emergency room bills >>>> must be paid. >>>> >>> Well of course they must, but then I never made such a statement, did I >>> lying Ray? >>> >>> You're a real bucket of barf. >> >> So who has to pay the emergency room bills? > >We all do. Health care spending per capita - 1998: U.S.: $4178 Germany: $2424 U.K.: $1461 -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net |