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From: Ray Fischer on 23 Jan 2010 23:16 ceviche <raw(a)fish.sea> wrote: >Frank Sereno <fsereno(a)domain.invalid> wrote: >> One thing to point out is that the source that keeps being quoted >> for the dental problems in the UK is a member of the opposition >> party. He is going to make every effort to make things look bad >> because it is beneficial to his political party. I've come to the >> point where I believe all politicians are liars and crooks. > >Can you deny factually, or merely shoot the messenger? Easy. Look at life expectancy and infant mortality by country. Those are good measures of how well a nation's health care system works. The US does not rank very highly, well below other industrial nations, even while paying twice as much to cover fewer people. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: rendition on 24 Jan 2010 00:39 Ray Fischer wrote: > rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> wrote: >> Ray Fischer wrote: >>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and it >>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened for >>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the government >>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>> If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>> get a replacement joint or not. >>> And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >> Or the emergency room. > > Wrong Ray, you are stupid, and this is where it ALWAYS ends with you.
From: rendition on 24 Jan 2010 00:39 Ray Fischer wrote: > Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >> news:4b5b7a92$0$1677$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >>>>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the >>>>>>>> government >>>>>>>> employee does. >>>>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>> If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will >>>> get a replacement joint or not. >>> And in the US it's the insurance company that decides. >> You have no clue. > > Says a pro-lie rightard Ray, you are stupid, and this is where it ALWAYS ends with you.
From: rendition on 24 Jan 2010 00:39 Ray Fischer wrote: > Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-01-23, Ray Fischer <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote: >>> Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On 2010-01-23, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >>>>> In message <hjfd8f$pjv$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Brent <tetraethyll >>>>> eadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> writes >>>>>> On 2010-01-23, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, an 80 year old person cannot get a kidney or transplant. Heart >>>>>>>> transplant candidates are carefully screened. All of this is a form of >>>>>>>> rationing. >>>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and it >>>>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened for >>>>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >>>>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the government >>>>>> employee does. >>>>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. >>>> I did not say what grounds the decision was made on, only who makes it. >>>> The government employees make it. Because government is political most >>>> of the decision making will be political. >>>> >>>>>> They decide how the health care pie is going to be split >>>>>> up. They decide if the 80 year old is deserving of it or not. It's a >>>>>> fixed supply system. That's the mentality it runs under. >>>>> That is the US mentality. Not the NHS mentality. >>>> That's the government mentality. >>>> >>>>> All I have seen so far is the US does not trust it's own governments. >>>> Government has killed more people than anything else in human history. >>>> Government is fundamentally a criminal enterprise. Government and a >>>> criminal gang with sufficent power are for all purposes the same thing. >>> Government is us. By damning government you damn yourself. >> It is not 'us'. > > Of course Ray, you are stupid, and this is where it ALWAYS ends with you.
From: rendition on 24 Jan 2010 00:39
Ray Fischer wrote: > Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-01-24, Chris Malcolm <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote: >>> Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> Government has killed more people than anything else in human history. >>>> Government is fundamentally a criminal enterprise. Government and a >>>> criminal gang with sufficent power are for all purposes the same thing. >>> There are still some countries with no effective government at all you >>> could go to. >> Where various criminal gangs battle to be the government. > > That's kind of Ray, you are stupid, and this is where it ALWAYS ends with you. |