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From: Phildo on 4 Feb 2006 20:17 "Joseph Ashwood" <ashwood(a)msn.com> wrote in message news:F%XEf.22108$Jd.20068(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > "Judge not, that ye be not judged." KJV Matt 7:1, original KJV text "Judge > not lest ye be judged" > > Might I suggest, that before debating the merits of your particular > variation of Christianity you read the only common distribution of a > direct translation, the King James Version, preferably the original and > examine for yourself exactly how Christian you truly are. The King James version was rewritten and modified many times from the original scriptures to suit the religious leaders wants at the time and to justify their abuse of the people. Common people could rarely read let alone speak latin so the church could do anything they wanted and the people wouldn't know any different. The King James version stopped a lot of that as it was in a language most people understood and that is why there was such resistance from the church to stop it being translated out of the latin. Also, look into the history of the bible, especially why those gospels that were included were chosen from the many gospels available. It was all to suit the needs of the church and to paint Jesus as some kind of divine being instead of the political activist he really was. It's all one big con trick. Phildo
From: Phildo on 4 Feb 2006 20:28 "Joey" <joeyfurr(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a_SdnWoc4P1zuXnenZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > The only way I can possibly comprehend such a backwards, unfounded > position blatant denial. You just cannot face the fact that someone has seen through the con-trick that you were gullible enough to fall for. > Boil it down to this: if I and the other 85% of Americans who consider > themselves Christians are wrong - I live a good life, full of joy, good > people around me, and hope. Good for you. You also waste valuable time in your life in a futile act of worshipping a god that is merely the figment of someone's imagination. Man created god not the other way round. Can't you see how ridiculous the whole concept of religion is? Oh, and I would put the figure at 50% or less. > What if you're wrong....? I'm not. Phildo
From: Joey on 10 Feb 2006 18:49 Phildo wrote: > "Joseph Ashwood" <ashwood(a)msn.com> wrote in message > news:F%XEf.22108$Jd.20068(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > >>"Judge not, that ye be not judged." KJV Matt 7:1, original KJV text "Judge >>not lest ye be judged" >> >>Might I suggest, that before debating the merits of your particular >>variation of Christianity you read the only common distribution of a >>direct translation, the King James Version, preferably the original and >>examine for yourself exactly how Christian you truly are. > > > The King James version was rewritten and modified many times from the > original scriptures to suit the religious leaders wants at the time and to > justify their abuse of the people. Common people could rarely read let alone > speak latin so the church could do anything they wanted and the people > wouldn't know any different. The King James version stopped a lot of that as > it was in a language most people understood and that is why there was such > resistance from the church to stop it being translated out of the latin. > > Also, look into the history of the bible, especially why those gospels that > were included were chosen from the many gospels available. It was all to > suit the needs of the church and to paint Jesus as some kind of divine being > instead of the political activist he really was. > > It's all one big con trick. > > Phildo You seem to use the 'all one big con trick' phrase frequently, but from my observations you are the one who has been conned: The original autographs of the Old Testament were written on papyrus. Papyrus deteriorates at a very rapid rate. Because of this, scribes were employed to copy the books of the Old Testament. These scribes believed the Scriptures to be the Word of God and went to great lengths to eliminate error. They followed strict Jewish traditions with even dictated how many columns and lines could be on a page, counting every line, word, and letter to find any mistakes. Any copy with even one mistake was destroyed. Because of this, the Old Testament has been preserved in its original form. Prior to 1947 the oldest existing Old Testament copy was the Massoretic Text which is dated about A.D. 900. In 1947 the Dead Sea Scrolls were found at Qumran. Many of the scrolls dated back to around 150 B.C. making them almost 1,000 years older than the Massoretic Text. The Dead Sea Scrolls read identically to the Massoretic Text, both of which are identical to the Hebrew translations in our own Bibles. Only a small percentage of variation can be found, all of which can be attributed to variations in *spelling*. The reliability of the New Testament is also beyond reproach. More than 24,000 partial and complete copies of the New Testament are available today. No other document of antiquity can even come close to such large numbers. Homer?s Iliad is second with a mere 643 existing manuscripts. In addition to the New Testament manuscripts, there are over 86,000 quotations of the New Testament from the Early Church fathers. So thorough are these quotations that ***all but 11 verses of the New Testament can be reconstructed from this material, which dates less than 200 years after the coming of Jesus.*** This a common belief by non-believers that the Bible has been modified. It hasn't. This is historically proven, it's not a matter of belief or faith. I'm certainly not saying that Christians or myself are better than you, or that you are a 'bad' person, only this: you have been mislead, and like many...you have seemingly not taken the time to find out if what you have been told is accurate. That is usually the accusation to Christians, but the big secret is: Christians are the *most* likely to make darn sure that what they are hearing is true and accurate. I'm not a sucker...I'm not going to let some used car salesman fill my head full of untruths. My interest in telling you this is not any kind of "I'm right and you're wrong" type thing. It's a "I wish I could share this great thing I've found"...like when people are gear snobs and you try to let them know what a good unit the DCX2496 is. With respect, ....Joey
From: Robert McTigue on 11 Feb 2006 16:19 Joey wrote: > > > That's becuase the foundation of Christianity is the Bible, which > instructs Christians that if they have something good to share it, > whether it be service, money, caring, or faith. Not sure about Hindu, > Islam, Buddism, or the others... Please go away with your OT subject matter
From: Phildo on 11 Feb 2006 19:22
"Joey" <joeyfurr(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:dYmdnctWANKDEHPeRVn-oQ(a)comcast.com... > Stop preaching Atheism. Atheism is NOT a religion. I am merely pointing out how ludicrous your beliefs are and I am still amazed how many otherwise normal, rational people cannot see how brainwashed they are. If you have your beliefs then fine but keep them to yourself and don't go preaching them on here or you WILL get stomped on. Phildo |