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From: Pat Conover on 1 Aug 2010 22:11 RnR" <rnrtexas(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:MPG.26bfb8275bd9b80898969b(a)news.giganews.com... > In article <4c55e8a7$0$14506$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Cmplx80 > @Karma.com says... >> >> RnR wrote: >> > In article <4c559852$0$16597$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Cmplx80 >> > @Karma.com says... >> >> Pat Conover wrote: >> >>> I finally got sick enough of IE8 to try Firefox and all I can say is >> >>> WOW! >> >>> It's like driving a Ferrari compared to a Kia. You folks always >> >>> recommended >> >>> it, but I never knew it was that much faster. I use IE8 because a >> >>> lot of my >> >>> business sites only use it and I thought I was pretty much stuck with >> >>> it. >> >>> >> >>> Are there any IE8 plugins or compatibility mode to use? The local >> >>> MLS site >> >>> I use won't load right with FF, so I guess I need to use IE8 for >> >>> that. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, Pat >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> FF seems to be a little better than IE8, but Mozilla has this >> >> incredible >> >> knack for screwing up what use to work in older releases. Case in >> >> point: >> >> Using " 'right click' | save image as " now crashes on every >> >> version I've tried since at least 3.6.4--maybe earlier. On Vista, >> >> it's >> >> a corruption of the downloads sql file in profile. In Windows 7, I >> >> have >> >> no idea what it is. It's a known (Mozilla) problem. There are also >> >> ongoing problems that are fixed by deleting cookies. FF add-ons, >> >> extensions can also lead to some very flakey behavior. >> >> >> >> Frank >> > >> > >> > Frank, that's funny. I'm using firefox 3.6.8 and I have no problem >> > saving an image as you described. I just tested it on win 7 x64. I >> > won't comment on the cookies but as far as addons, I don't have any >> > problem and they warn you about them before hand. BTW, the addons >> > aren't authored by FF so to blame them is nonsense. >> >> This problem isn't unique to my system. Google it or hit the FF site >> and witness the frustration. It is indeed a problem. The cookie >> corruption has been with Firefox for some time. Clearing them out >> temporarily solves it. The addons/extensions frequently fail because >> the rate of FF releases to fix security is almost impossible to keep up >> with. For example, the handy IE Tab. They may not be FF's, but without >> them FF is an inadequate browser. >> >> Frank > > > My problem with the addons are that they may work for one version of FF > but not necessarily for the updated FF version. Of course one doesn't > have to update FF or wait long enough and the addon may be updated to > work with that FF or the next one. I don't agree that without the addons > FF is inadequate but I do agree it is better with them. > > For the most part, I don't have any problem with FF but some sites are > not written correctly so they won't work with FF. In those cases I will > resort to IE or IE based browsers. > > I read Frank's post earlier and I just tried the right click save as, no problems here with a new latest version install yesterday, Pat
From: Christopher Muto on 2 Aug 2010 01:09 Pat Conover wrote: > "Christopher Muto" <muto(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:nr2dncfZOJ-_8sjRnZ2dnUVZ_qMAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >> Pat Conover wrote: >>> "Pat Conover" <nobody(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:i33kl7$1ga$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> "Christopher Muto" <muto(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >>>> news:qKOdnV33QYY7ZMnRnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >>>>> Pat Conover wrote: >>>>>> "Ben Myers" <ben_myers(a)charter.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i32ftn$11i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> On 7/31/2010 5:43 PM, Pat Conover wrote: >>>>>>>> I finally got sick enough of IE8 to try Firefox and all I can say is >>>>>>>> WOW! >>>>>>>> It's like driving a Ferrari compared to a Kia. You folks always >>>>>>>> recommended >>>>>>>> it, but I never knew it was that much faster. I use IE8 because a >>>>>>>> lot of my >>>>>>>> business sites only use it and I thought I was pretty much stuck >>>>>>>> with it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are there any IE8 plugins or compatibility mode to use? The local >>>>>>>> MLS site >>>>>>>> I use won't load right with FF, so I guess I need to use IE8 for >>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Pat >>>>>>> Pat, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was an IE plug-in for earlier versions of Firefox and it would >>>>>>> even do the Windows Update song and dance. Unfortunately, too many >>>>>>> commercial business web sites have bought into the proprietary >>>>>>> Microsoft way of web browsing, so Active X and Dot-Net stuff abounds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... Ben Myers >>>>>> Ben, >>>>>> >>>>>> No biggie, I can switch back and forth as needed, was just wondering >>>>>> though because I had only used Firefox for a little while and already >>>>>> found several useful plugins. Nice program that does what its >>>>>> supposed to do! Just kicking myself for not switching years ago, like >>>>>> you all told me to. Pat >>>>> google chrome is impressive too. but neither chrome or firefox support >>>>> active-x so you have to keep in mind why you are unable to view certain >>>>> sites or simply unable to check out when shopping some sites. i find >>>>> it frustrating enough that i still mainly use ie despite its other >>>>> problems. >>>> Chris, I haven't kept up with my computer skills like I should, but >>>> isn't uncontrolled active x the reason I get 8 billion spam emails from >>>> my friends IE only infected computers. One of the many M$ holes that >>>> allows a busload of bad stuff through the gates on a daily basis? Hence, >>>> Patch Tuesdays! Pat >>> After kicking my own butt last night, while actually rediscovering the >>> internet with a stable and super fast browser, dare I say that I may also >>> switch to Thunderbird from Outlook? I just downloaded both to install on >>> my Dim 9150 and may install on my primary work/production machine, the >>> old, now with 2GB of memory, 4550 too. Any suggestions or tips for that >>> upgrade? >>> >>> Like IE8, I can't ditch Outlook altogether because I need to sync my >>> Contacts and Calendar to my Moto Q cell phone. (Chris, that is why I >>> haven't done an Outlook repair install or reinstall from an earlier post >>> you helped with. What a PIA to get the M$ Active Sync sw to work with my >>> usb connected cell.) And if any of you encounter the 1.75GB .pst file >>> size limitation, post here and I will give you the quick, simple fix. >>> Unlike the Official bludgeon your pst file to death fix from M$. Banged >>> my head hard on the wall, after I figured the real fix out! >>> >>> Can Thunderbird sync to my Moto Q cell phone? I will research futher, >>> but am too anxious to just install and let Thunderbird do its thing to >>> Outlook. I don't think I have been this excited about software, since I >>> discovered a TSR Memory Manager for my old Sam's Club bleeding edge >>> Packard Bell 386, running Win 3.1. ;-) Thanks for all the help, Pat >> if you care to discuss the 2gb limitation of outlook ascii pst files start >> another thread. there are several solutions on how to repair a maxed out >> outlook file and also to convert it to a outlook unicode pst file. but you >> may find it more productive to simply upgrade to a droid and synchronize >> your contacts and calendar automatically and wirelessly with gmail. > > Chris, as suggested I started a new Outlook PST thread. Good stuff for a > Sunday morning chat. An Outlook unicode pst file sounds promising. > > Back to this thread, I was looking at new cell phones, but my Moto Q does > all I need, and I don't have to get the shove it down your throat $$$$ data > plan from Verizon. I am an early bag phone Verizon customer and > Grandfathered with a Smart Phone and no data plan. I was looking at a new > Blackberry or Droid. But, my friend has a Verizon Droid and he says it is a > great cell phone, with all kinds of neat features, except for making and > recieving cell phone calls. Dropped calls, poor or no reception, etc., all > here in SNJ one of Verizons most overbuilt cellular coverage areas. Reviews > of Blackberry's and other Smart Phones that do sync with Outlook seem to > report the same things as my friend. So many features added, they forgot > what a cell phone is supposed to do! > Thanks again for the all suggestions and help, Pat > i think that your friend is an exception. the fact that he/she had problems with two completely different phones suggest that it is likely the locations used that are the problem. blackberry makes the best email devices, but they have a horrible browser. the droid is simply amazing all around but it is google-centric and if you are not a google fan then having it sync with your google calendar/contacts/etc can make it undesirable. there is third party outlook sync software not available for the droid. and of course the iphone is amazing too. the droid and iphone do so much but if your primary goal is email then the blackberry are still attractive. the new push on data plans is pretty distasteful, particularly since these new devices all have wifi which makes the very versatile.
From: Christopher Muto on 2 Aug 2010 08:06 Christopher Muto wrote: > Pat Conover wrote: >> "Christopher Muto" <muto(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> news:nr2dncfZOJ-_8sjRnZ2dnUVZ_qMAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >>> Pat Conover wrote: >>>> "Pat Conover" <nobody(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> news:i33kl7$1ga$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> "Christopher Muto" <muto(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:qKOdnV33QYY7ZMnRnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >>>>>> Pat Conover wrote: >>>>>>> "Ben Myers" <ben_myers(a)charter.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i32ftn$11i$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>>> On 7/31/2010 5:43 PM, Pat Conover wrote: >>>>>>>>> I finally got sick enough of IE8 to try Firefox and all I can >>>>>>>>> say is WOW! >>>>>>>>> It's like driving a Ferrari compared to a Kia. You folks >>>>>>>>> always recommended >>>>>>>>> it, but I never knew it was that much faster. I use IE8 >>>>>>>>> because a lot of my >>>>>>>>> business sites only use it and I thought I was pretty much >>>>>>>>> stuck with it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are there any IE8 plugins or compatibility mode to use? The >>>>>>>>> local MLS site >>>>>>>>> I use won't load right with FF, so I guess I need to use IE8 >>>>>>>>> for that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Pat >>>>>>>> Pat, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was an IE plug-in for earlier versions of Firefox and it >>>>>>>> would even do the Windows Update song and dance. Unfortunately, >>>>>>>> too many commercial business web sites have bought into the >>>>>>>> proprietary Microsoft way of web browsing, so Active X and >>>>>>>> Dot-Net stuff abounds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ... Ben Myers >>>>>>> Ben, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No biggie, I can switch back and forth as needed, was just >>>>>>> wondering though because I had only used Firefox for a little >>>>>>> while and already found several useful plugins. Nice program >>>>>>> that does what its supposed to do! Just kicking myself for not >>>>>>> switching years ago, like you all told me to. Pat >>>>>> google chrome is impressive too. but neither chrome or firefox >>>>>> support active-x so you have to keep in mind why you are unable to >>>>>> view certain sites or simply unable to check out when shopping >>>>>> some sites. i find it frustrating enough that i still mainly use >>>>>> ie despite its other problems. >>>>> Chris, I haven't kept up with my computer skills like I should, but >>>>> isn't uncontrolled active x the reason I get 8 billion spam emails >>>>> from my friends IE only infected computers. One of the many M$ >>>>> holes that allows a busload of bad stuff through the gates on a >>>>> daily basis? Hence, Patch Tuesdays! Pat >>>> After kicking my own butt last night, while actually rediscovering >>>> the internet with a stable and super fast browser, dare I say that I >>>> may also switch to Thunderbird from Outlook? I just downloaded both >>>> to install on my Dim 9150 and may install on my primary >>>> work/production machine, the old, now with 2GB of memory, 4550 too. >>>> Any suggestions or tips for that upgrade? >>>> >>>> Like IE8, I can't ditch Outlook altogether because I need to sync my >>>> Contacts and Calendar to my Moto Q cell phone. (Chris, that is why I >>>> haven't done an Outlook repair install or reinstall from an earlier >>>> post you helped with. What a PIA to get the M$ Active Sync sw to >>>> work with my usb connected cell.) And if any of you encounter the >>>> 1.75GB .pst file size limitation, post here and I will give you the >>>> quick, simple fix. Unlike the Official bludgeon your pst file to >>>> death fix from M$. Banged my head hard on the wall, after I figured >>>> the real fix out! >>>> >>>> Can Thunderbird sync to my Moto Q cell phone? I will research >>>> futher, but am too anxious to just install and let Thunderbird do >>>> its thing to Outlook. I don't think I have been this excited about >>>> software, since I discovered a TSR Memory Manager for my old Sam's >>>> Club bleeding edge Packard Bell 386, running Win 3.1. ;-) Thanks >>>> for all the help, Pat >>> if you care to discuss the 2gb limitation of outlook ascii pst files >>> start another thread. there are several solutions on how to repair a >>> maxed out outlook file and also to convert it to a outlook unicode >>> pst file. but you may find it more productive to simply upgrade to a >>> droid and synchronize your contacts and calendar automatically and >>> wirelessly with gmail. >> >> Chris, as suggested I started a new Outlook PST thread. Good stuff >> for a Sunday morning chat. An Outlook unicode pst file sounds promising. >> >> Back to this thread, I was looking at new cell phones, but my Moto Q >> does all I need, and I don't have to get the shove it down your throat >> $$$$ data plan from Verizon. I am an early bag phone Verizon customer >> and Grandfathered with a Smart Phone and no data plan. I was looking >> at a new Blackberry or Droid. But, my friend has a Verizon Droid and >> he says it is a great cell phone, with all kinds of neat features, >> except for making and recieving cell phone calls. Dropped calls, poor >> or no reception, etc., all here in SNJ one of Verizons most overbuilt >> cellular coverage areas. Reviews of Blackberry's and other Smart >> Phones that do sync with Outlook seem to report the same things as my >> friend. So many features added, they forgot what a cell phone is >> supposed to do! >> Thanks again for the all suggestions and help, Pat > > i think that your friend is an exception. the fact that he/she had > problems with two completely different phones suggest that it is likely > the locations used that are the problem. blackberry makes the best > email devices, but they have a horrible browser. the droid is simply > amazing all around but it is google-centric and if you are not a google > fan then having it sync with your google calendar/contacts/etc can make > it undesirable. there is third party outlook sync software not > available for the droid. and of course the iphone is amazing too. the > droid and iphone do so much but if your primary goal is email then the > blackberry are still attractive. the new push on data plans is pretty > distasteful, particularly since these new devices all have wifi which > makes the very versatile. correction: there is third party outlook sync software NOW available for the droid.
From: BillW50 on 2 Aug 2010 14:27 On 8/1/2010 3:34 PM, RnR wrote: > In article<4c559852$0$16597$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Cmplx80 > @Karma.com says... >> >> Pat Conover wrote: >>> I finally got sick enough of IE8 to try Firefox and all I can say is WOW! >>> It's like driving a Ferrari compared to a Kia. You folks always recommended >>> it, but I never knew it was that much faster. I use IE8 because a lot of my >>> business sites only use it and I thought I was pretty much stuck with it. >>> >>> Are there any IE8 plugins or compatibility mode to use? The local MLS site >>> I use won't load right with FF, so I guess I need to use IE8 for that. >>> >>> Thanks, Pat >>> >>> >>> >> FF seems to be a little better than IE8, but Mozilla has this incredible >> knack for screwing up what use to work in older releases. Case in point: >> Using " 'right click' | save image as " now crashes on every >> version I've tried since at least 3.6.4--maybe earlier. On Vista, it's >> a corruption of the downloads sql file in profile. In Windows 7, I have >> no idea what it is. It's a known (Mozilla) problem. There are also >> ongoing problems that are fixed by deleting cookies. FF add-ons, >> extensions can also lead to some very flakey behavior. >> >> Frank > > > Frank, that's funny. I'm using firefox 3.6.8 and I have no problem > saving an image as you described. I just tested it on win 7 x64. I > won't comment on the cookies but as far as addons, I don't have any > problem and they warn you about them before hand. BTW, the addons > aren't authored by FF so to blame them is nonsense. A quick search shows that some do have this problem. And some have linked it to the Google toolbar. And some found they can get image saves while running Firefox in its safe mode. Or by taking the image and dragging it to the desktop is another way to get it to work. -- Bill Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
From: RnR on 2 Aug 2010 15:49
In article <i372m6$9bc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, BillW50(a)aol.kom says... > > On 8/1/2010 3:34 PM, RnR wrote: > > In article<4c559852$0$16597$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Cmplx80 > > @Karma.com says... > >> > >> Pat Conover wrote: > >>> I finally got sick enough of IE8 to try Firefox and all I can say is WOW! > >>> It's like driving a Ferrari compared to a Kia. You folks always recommended > >>> it, but I never knew it was that much faster. I use IE8 because a lot of my > >>> business sites only use it and I thought I was pretty much stuck with it. > >>> > >>> Are there any IE8 plugins or compatibility mode to use? The local MLS site > >>> I use won't load right with FF, so I guess I need to use IE8 for that. > >>> > >>> Thanks, Pat > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> FF seems to be a little better than IE8, but Mozilla has this incredible > >> knack for screwing up what use to work in older releases. Case in point: > >> Using " 'right click' | save image as " now crashes on every > >> version I've tried since at least 3.6.4--maybe earlier. On Vista, it's > >> a corruption of the downloads sql file in profile. In Windows 7, I have > >> no idea what it is. It's a known (Mozilla) problem. There are also > >> ongoing problems that are fixed by deleting cookies. FF add-ons, > >> extensions can also lead to some very flakey behavior. > >> > >> Frank > > > > > > Frank, that's funny. I'm using firefox 3.6.8 and I have no problem > > saving an image as you described. I just tested it on win 7 x64. I > > won't comment on the cookies but as far as addons, I don't have any > > problem and they warn you about them before hand. BTW, the addons > > aren't authored by FF so to blame them is nonsense. > > A quick search shows that some do have this problem. And some have > linked it to the Google toolbar. And some found they can get image saves > while running Firefox in its safe mode. Or by taking the image and > dragging it to the desktop is another way to get it to work. Not a problem for me but darn Forte Agent just won't work for me in a win 7 x64 virtual OS. I've taken down all defenses, stripped some processes and still can't get it to work. I am using the trial version of version 6, if that matters. Tried to email Forte Agent and about 1 week later, no reply so I guess that's a joke. Since then I've switched to Gravity newsreader and it works okay but I prefer Agent if I can get it to work. Google didn't help. |