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From: John Pollard on 27 Jan 2010 17:55 tmp wrote: > John Pollard wrote: >> Bert Hyman wrote: >>> In >>> news:c2da7791-28f0-472d-a3fd-c4711658e3cf(a)l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com\ >> >>> "Mr.Jan" <jan.hertzsch(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think anybody said you can't use the Quicken software >>>> after they sunset it but they are not supporting it. >> >>> The ability to download quotes and transactions ends three years >>> after a version is released. I assume they'll continue that policy. >> >> Even if your assumption is correct - and I don't believe in user's >> assumptions about the future of Quicken - your comment doesn't >> address the fundamental issue (which user "Mr Jan" posted): there >> will be nothing stopping you from using Quicken, just as there is >> nothing stopping Money users from using Money (even though Money is >> out of business) ... some of whom, are going to do just that. >> >> [Yes, Money users will have a known benefit (continued downloading >> of OFX data) - assuming Intuit were to continue their current policy >> of not allowing the import of "OFX" files. But Intuit could change >> that policy (as Microsoft has changed some of their policies about >> Money, specifically due to Microsoft no longer supportting it) ... >> or folks could realize what a significant benefit Quicken provides >> to address the most important issue - what I have always thought was >> the reason to use Quicken - all your financial information in one >> place, easy to see, easy to understand ... regardless of how the >> data gets into Quicken.] >> >> Downloading has always been a big benefit to me ... but I would not >> use any other product I know of, *just* because I could no longer >> download to Quicken. Such other product would have to provide major >> benefits over what something like Mint provides. Given the time >> Mint has had to demonstrate those greater benefits, I suspect it >> unlikely I'll ever see such a product - even if it is owned by >> Intuit. >> > > Responding primarily to your last paragraph above: > > True, but until now (before the Intuit acquisition of Mint), it was > never really Mint's goal to become "another Quicken", and match it > feature for feature. The focus was on offering a much simpler, if much > less comprehensive, means of tracking your finances. > > Now with the merger, that may change. To me, this quote from the > Business Week article is encouraging: > > "Within about two years, the company plans to combine the software > code of Mint.com and Quicken into a product that would let users > readily switch between desktop and online modes." > > A product that combines the best features of Mint and Quicken, while > retaining a "desktop" mode, would be something to look forward to > rather than dread. I saw that quote before, and I too liked the sound of it. I have no dread of an online version of Quicken. I have worked with both the current "Quicken Online" and Mint - my concern isn't about whether one more online site has my user-id and password ... I just just find neither comes close to Quicken desktop product. Worse (for me): both sites seem intent on appealing to those who think they can manage their financial affairs on a cell phone. If Mint and desktop Quicken can be made to work together, with no degradation of the desktop product, I'll likely support that. I just don't want to see the cell phone mentality take over desktop Quicken, or drive it out of business. -- John Pollard news://<YOUR-NNTP-NEWSERVER-HERE>/alt.comp.software.financial.quicken Your source of user-to-user Quicken help
From: Andrew on 27 Jan 2010 19:46 John Pollard wrote: > ...my concern isn't about whether one more online site has my user-id and > password ... The problem, in my mind, isn't security (I already download all my stuff today so they have that stuff already; it's the AVAILABILITY of my data at the time I want it. I don't know if you were affected, but a couple of years ago Intuit, in their wonderful wisdom, tried to put a access product into Turbo Tax that SOMETIMES worked; many times didn't. It would "call home' to ensure you had a legit copy of Turbotax. More than once I couldn't get at my data because the product malfunctioned and I had to call tech support for a go-around. This lasted only one year. Point is that data that is off your computer and out of your control can't be counted on to be available to you when you need it. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Regards - - Andrew
From: Han on 27 Jan 2010 20:09 "Andrew" <andrew(a)jkl.com> wrote in news:4b60de57$0$22532$607ed4bc(a)cv.net: > Point is that data that is off your computer and out of your control > can't be counted on to be available to you when you need it. > That is also my concern. However, it must be said that people are quite capable of losing their own data all by themselves using only their computer. While instant availability is a most definite concern, an online system should hav backups that are better then the average Joe's. In spite of the recent cell-phone (temporary?) data disappearance of one of the major companies. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid
From: John Pollard on 27 Jan 2010 20:47 Andrew wrote: > John Pollard wrote: >> ...my concern isn't about whether one more online site has my >> user-id and password ... > > The problem, in my mind, isn't security (I already download all my > stuff today so they have that stuff already; it's the AVAILABILITY of > my data at the time I want it. I don't know if you were affected, > but a couple of years ago Intuit, in their wonderful wisdom, tried to > put a access product into Turbo Tax that SOMETIMES worked; many times > didn't. It would "call home' to ensure you had a legit copy of > Turbotax. More than once I couldn't get at my data because the > product malfunctioned and I had to call tech support for a go-around. > This lasted only one year. > Point is that data that is off your computer and out of your control > can't be counted on to be available to you when you need it. Sorry, but that doesn't address what I said. You took my comment out of context. I can't imagine how I could have made it clearer that I was not interested in an online application that tried to *replace* the Quicken desktop application. -- John Pollard news://<YOUR-NNTP-NEWSERVER-HERE>/alt.comp.software.financial.quicken Your source of user-to-user Quicken help
From: Andrew on 28 Jan 2010 07:33
John Pollard wrote: > Andrew wrote: >> John Pollard wrote: >>> ...my concern isn't about whether one more online site has my >>> user-id and password ... >> >> The problem, in my mind, isn't security (I already download all my >> stuff today so they have that stuff already; it's the AVAILABILITY of >> my data at the time I want it. I don't know if you were affected, >> but a couple of years ago Intuit, in their wonderful wisdom, tried to >> put a access product into Turbo Tax that SOMETIMES worked; many times >> didn't. It would "call home' to ensure you had a legit copy of >> Turbotax. More than once I couldn't get at my data because the >> product malfunctioned and I had to call tech support for a go-around. >> This lasted only one year. >> Point is that data that is off your computer and out of your control >> can't be counted on to be available to you when you need it. > > Sorry, but that doesn't address what I said. You took my comment out > of context. I can't imagine how I could have made it clearer that I > was not interested in an online application that tried to *replace* > the Quicken desktop application. And I agree. I wasn't trying to address what you said to the general point other than give the reason why I don't want to give up a desktop product, be it the application or the data behind it. It's MY availability of both the app and the data behind it. And I do acknowledge that Han has a point in another post in this thread that " an online system should hav backups that are better then the average Joe's. " But in my case with my daily automated backups to a physical, external, harddrive, that isn't my personal concern. Hopefully, I won't have TWO sets of failures simultaneously. (Of course, a flood, roof collapse, or power serge could conceivably knock out both storage devices ... but that's another topic for discussion.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Regards - - Andrew |