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From: Marc Verkade [Marti] on 23 May 2010 16:18 It is Marc with a C.. ;-) You shoud start with C# indeed, but can use Vulcan for tyransporting your VO apps in t "Alwin Nederpelt" <a.nederpelt(a)nederpelt.nl> schreef in bericht news:f90f9858-8834-48bd-af77-a770b049a214(a)a20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com... > As i would like to say now. > > VO support sucks. Really sucks. > Mark would say "Alwin, as tactfull as usual" > > Where are new releases, maybe bug fixes. Etc. Etc. More windows 7 > support etc. > > Nothing, i pay for the support....... but i guess i am paying more for > the salery of Robert so he can build something i am not going to > use.... i think... > > I think i start with C#.... > > Alwin
From: Marc Verkade [Marti] on 23 May 2010 16:20 Hmm, pressed some button I guess... Try 2: You certainly should start doing C#. Use Vulcan for your VO apps to tranfer them into the .Net world. It works and you can mix your C # and Vulcan stuff. After that, and have thorough knowledge about both, you decide which one you choose for which task. Greetings, Marc... With a C "Marc Verkade [Marti]" <marcatm(a)rti.nl> schreef in bericht news:4bf98e4b$0$776$58c7af7e(a)news.kabelfoon.nl... > It is Marc with a C.. ;-) > You shoud start with C# indeed, but can use Vulcan for tyransporting your > VO apps in t > > "Alwin Nederpelt" <a.nederpelt(a)nederpelt.nl> schreef in bericht > news:f90f9858-8834-48bd-af77-a770b049a214(a)a20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com... >> As i would like to say now. >> >> VO support sucks. Really sucks. >> Mark would say "Alwin, as tactfull as usual" >> >> Where are new releases, maybe bug fixes. Etc. Etc. More windows 7 >> support etc. >> >> Nothing, i pay for the support....... but i guess i am paying more for >> the salery of Robert so he can build something i am not going to >> use.... i think... >> >> I think i start with C#.... >> >> Alwin >
From: Marc Verkade [Marti] on 23 May 2010 16:21 Yes, I do care as you know.... Silly man! "E�!k \/!$$E�" <nospam(a)nospam.com> schreef in bericht news:85mq3rF1uhU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Rene, > >> VO user base is shrinking but my VO apps sales is up... > Good for you! > But are you only interested in short-term sales or do you care about your > customers in a long term also. If so, is your app future proof, can you > still maintain your software on Windows 8, 9 or 10? Is DBF (if you are > using it) access still posible? > I do not know answers on these questions but I prefer a (more) reliable > supplier for my dev-envoirement. > >> that u have to make a conclusion for that..... why u need someone to >> say a conclusion for you? > The figures show no more and no less of what we made up earlier. But there > was not much evidence for this. Now we have some proof. > Now you go to your manager and/or your customers and tell them, who says > VO is dead, look, there are xx ures around the world....<g> > > I do not ask for anyone else his conclusions and I do not yours or anyone > else his to draw my own. > But I give you some facts you do not get from Grafx. And if you conclude > on these figures and the other facs, like the (absent of) support, the > (empty) promisses etc. VO is the way to go, if you think it is possible > to support and maintain a programming language with this knid of user > base, > I can only suggest: Go For It! > > regards, > > Erik > > > >> >> Everybody knows what you want to hear? >> >> >> On May 19, 9:28 pm, E�!k \\/!$$E� <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: >>> For the record, here are some stats of the site where the SP3 is located >>> >>> http://grafxsoft.fileburst.com/plesk-stat/webstat/ >>> >>> and here is a mirror: >>> >>> http://www.wilg.nl/downloads/grafx_usage.JPG >>> >>> Remember the build 2837 is about 20 mb, the build 2836 is about 44 mb. >>> Both >>> released in october 2009. >>> >>> See for your self how big or how small the VO community is and draw your >>> own >>> conclusions. >>> >>> Erik >>
From: E®!k /!$$E® on 24 May 2010 03:16 Marc, So if you do not understand something you choose not to take it serious? Sounds a bit narrow-minded to me. Or is it you do understand the facts and figures but just cannot cope with it? Or is it something else. Imagine Robert or Brian provided you a link to these stats, would you have responded the same way? It all sounds, and this is a 'quality' of a larger part of the VO community, like the way religious fanatics behave. Everything the Leader says is great and every opposition, every criticism should be excommunicated. People who loved VO just for being a nice program language left ages ago, as everything they liked is available in other languages in a better way and all the gaps VO has, are filled in. VO is outdated. Most of the people still using VO, do so because they have larger commercial interests. Keeping Grafx alive is keeping themselves alive. I do not say it is a 'wrong' reason, it's just not a reason based upon the superior support of Grafx or the outstanding quality of the language, is it? VO is dead. I am certain you know this. Grafx knows this too. The problem is if someone asks for great support and fixes for bugs the answer is 'join VOPS' . Brian grabs the money ( says "thank you") and lacks the support. Did you have a look at the Grafx website lately? VOPS is still being advertised , even with a VO Only program. > With disregards, Marc! lol Erik "Marc Verkade [Marti]" <marcatm(a)rti.nl> schreef in bericht news:4bf98df1$0$780$58c7af7e(a)news.kabelfoon.nl... > I really do not understand what point you try to make here. > You are starting to sound like a grumpy old man... > I am sorry for you! > > > "E�!k \/!$$E�" <nospam(a)nospam.com> schreef in bericht > news:85i7acF5ecU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> For the record, here are some stats of the site where the SP3 is located >> >> http://grafxsoft.fileburst.com/plesk-stat/webstat/ >> >> and here is a mirror: >> >> http://www.wilg.nl/downloads/grafx_usage.JPG >> >> Remember the build 2837 is about 20 mb, the build 2836 is about 44 mb. >> Both released in october 2009. >> >> See for your self how big or how small the VO community is and draw your >> own conclusions. >> >> >> Erik >
From: Marc Verkade [Marti] on 24 May 2010 10:00
IGNORE "E�!k \/!$$E�" <nospam(a)nospam.com> schreef in bericht news:85und9F42qU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Marc, > > So if you do not understand something you choose not to take it serious? > Sounds a bit narrow-minded to me. > Or is it you do understand the facts and figures but just cannot cope with > it? > Or is it something else. Imagine Robert or Brian provided you a link to > these stats, would you have responded the same way? > > It all sounds, and this is a 'quality' of a larger part of the VO > community, like the way religious fanatics behave. Everything the Leader > says is great and every opposition, every criticism should be > excommunicated. > > People who loved VO just for being a nice program language left ages ago, > as everything they liked is available in other languages in a better way > and all the gaps VO has, are filled in. VO is outdated. > Most of the people still using VO, do so because they have larger > commercial interests. Keeping Grafx alive is keeping themselves alive. I > do not say it is a 'wrong' reason, it's just not a reason based upon the > superior support of Grafx or the outstanding quality of the language, is > it? > VO is dead. I am certain you know this. Grafx knows this too. The problem > is if someone asks for great support and fixes for bugs the answer is > 'join VOPS' . Brian grabs the money ( says "thank you") and lacks the > support. Did you have a look at the Grafx website lately? VOPS is still > being advertised , even with a VO Only program. > >> With disregards, Marc! > lol > > Erik > > > > > > > "Marc Verkade [Marti]" <marcatm(a)rti.nl> schreef in bericht > news:4bf98df1$0$780$58c7af7e(a)news.kabelfoon.nl... >> I really do not understand what point you try to make here. >> You are starting to sound like a grumpy old man... >> I am sorry for you! >> > >> >> "E�!k \/!$$E�" <nospam(a)nospam.com> schreef in bericht >> news:85i7acF5ecU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> For the record, here are some stats of the site where the SP3 is located >>> >>> http://grafxsoft.fileburst.com/plesk-stat/webstat/ >>> >>> and here is a mirror: >>> >>> http://www.wilg.nl/downloads/grafx_usage.JPG >>> >>> Remember the build 2837 is about 20 mb, the build 2836 is about 44 mb. >>> Both released in october 2009. >>> >>> See for your self how big or how small the VO community is and draw your >>> own conclusions. >>> >>> >>> Erik >> |